FASTEST POLE VAULTER

[KYLE ELLIS]

one thing i want to know is has anyone ever tried to measure the pole speed of the from the start of the plant till when it hits the box? the seems like a better way to measure the true energy created at the plant.

[agapit]

one thing i want to know is has anyone ever tried to measure the speed of the from the start of the plant till when it hits the box? the seems like a better way to measure the true energy created at the plant.

ye they measure last 5 m of approach with beams, gun or more reliable with high-end video camera.
agapit

[KYLE ELLIS]

one thing i want to know is has anyone ever tried to measure the speed of the from the start of the plant till when it hits the box? the seems like a better way to measure the true energy created at the plant.

ye they measure last 5 m of approach with beams, gun or more reliable with high-end video camera.
agapit

oops sorry i left out a very important word, i meant has anyone tried to measure the speed of the pole at impact instead the running body. the whole goal is to move the POLE to vertical fast as possible, not move the body fast as possible. Its my belief some add more speed to their plant than others and create more energy even though they might not be running as fast.

[agapit]

one thing i want to know is has anyone ever tried to measure the speed of the from the start of the plant till when it hits the box? the seems like a better way to measure the true energy created at the plant.

ye they measure last 5 m of approach with beams, gun or more reliable with high-end video camera.
agapit

oops sorry i left out a very important word, i meant has anyone tried to measure the speed of the pole at impact instead the running body. the whole goal is to move the POLE to vertical fast as possible, not move the body fast as possible. Its my belief some add more speed to their plant than others and create more energy even though they might not be running as fast.

The pole speed is not a reliable measurable variable. Short poles will move faster to the vertical. The vaulters body speed is a true reflection of the system energy.

[KYLE ELLIS]

no im talking about how fast the "pole" is traveling right before and at the instant it hits the back of the box. instead of measuring the spped of the vaulter at takeoff i would like to see someone measure how fast the pole is traveling just before it makes contact with the box.

[altius]

If you accept the Petrov model then you know that the pole should be positioned for take off as the athlete comes onto the penultimate step. If it is already in that position at that point it would be difficult if not impossible to move the pole faster that the athlete themselves is moving.

Although there is clearly a correlation between speed and vault performance the critical factor is how much kinetic energy does the vaulter actually transmit into the pole and at what angle. That is a function of a free take off with high hands which continue to drive up through the plant, and a body which is 'solid' from top hand to take off toe.

Dr Jean Claude Perin -coach of 84 Olympic champion Quinon studied as many variables as he could find that might relate to vault performance and the highest correlation came from long jumping not 100m speed -although again there is clearly a high correlation between lj and sprint speed.

" What is technically desirable must be physically possible"

[TreyDECA]

anyhow, i think there should be a catagory for what you consider a vaulter, in this case, i think we could congratulate trey for probably being the second fastest 16' vaulter (bryan clay has ran 10.39 and jumped 16-8), i am pretty sure bubka is the fastest 20' vaulter (since he is the ONLY 20' vaulter)...probably dan o'brien is the fastest 17' vaulter 100m pr of 10.23...

i jumped 5.10, indoors, the morning after my first ever multi-event, just after my 19th b'day... i'll break the collegiate record before i'm done... 10.39=mine

[dj]

i also feel the long jump is the best test of athletic potential... i have stated that before in other sections of pv power...

based on the long jump for women the women's pv record should/could be 17'3"

and after coaching high school football for several years i realized your best long jumper in school should be your top running back....

i don't have any reason to doubt that bubka could jump 26' and run 10.3/10.4.. i ran 10.5 and long jumped 25'1...

as far as great athletes... many/most pole vaulters could do some pretty good stuff.. bell high jumped 6'3" from 3 steps and long jumped 21'7 from 6 steps... he also ran 11.5 100M with the pole.. tully threw the javelin over 200 feet... and the speed demons have been previously mentioned.

one thing we can be sure of... bubka was the best pole vaulter to date on fiberglass...

by the way.. somebody send me a vaulter that can run 10.4 and lj 26' and in two years we will have a new world record.. all i would ask is that the athlete hear me out and try to follow my teaching.................and give me 10% of the bonus'

; )

dj

ps... yes i know i should have been a vaulter myself instead of a hurdler, jumper, sprinter decathlete(to small).. but my environment and the times didn't allow it...i'm just glad i got to vault as a decathlete...

[achtungpv]

based on the long jump for women the women's pv record should/could be 17'3"

The big difference is that we have yet to have an athlete with the raw talent of say a Jackie Joyner-Kersee pick up a pole yet. Sorry, but JJK would hand Isibayeva her @ss in a brown paper bag in any test of athletic ability that wasn't pole vaulting. When that caliber of athlete begins vaulting at age 12 and sticks with it, then you're going to see true Bubka-like performances on the women's side.

[mikepv1]

Sorry, but JJK would hand Isibayeva her @ss in a brown paper bag in any test of athletic ability that wasn't pole vaulting.

LOL Nice.

[TreyDECA]

Sorry, but JJK would hand Isibayeva her @ss in a brown paper bag in any test of athletic ability that wasn't pole vaulting.

so would kluft

[CrossBarHOpper]

I Agree Jackie Joyner-Kersee would Kill most athletes even most men shees was awsome I never saw her from present times consider that i was too young but I ve seen videos and the stats and man shes Insane