Push Plant technique

[SlickVT]

Britdawg,

I am curious: Is there inconsistency with different runway surfaces with the push? I would imagine mondo to all-weather would change your approach length?

PS... Impressive. That may be a women's push plant record? Anyone confirm or deny?

[rainbowgirl28]

PS... Impressive. That may be a women's push plant record? Anyone confirm or deny?

Britni's 4 meters is the women's record.

When I pushed the pole, I did not find the runway made a significant difference in my run length. I felt more friction on the indoor black roll out runways, and I felt like I could fly when the runway was wet haha.

[BritDawg]

ditto to Becca's response about the runways. My run was pretty much the same every single meet. And as for the runways, the indoor roll outs were a little bit harder, but not enough to make a difference. We've experimented with duct tape and even taping strips of aluminum from coke cans on the tips while vaulting on the roll outs in Reno, but we found that we were having to replace them each vault so we decided it wasn't worth dealing with, and it didn't make enough difference to bother.

[vault3rb0y]

Im curious...
When using this technique, what happens to your stride length? Im assuming it increases, but what else happens to the run itself?

If you judge from day to day whether to use the HHM or a regular pole drop based on conditions, won't you have to learn what both models feel like and be prepared to use both on a particular day? I think it would be better to take the precious practice time you are using to learn what both runs feel like, and apply that time to one or the other so you won't have to switch.

I dont know, i think Tye has the right idea with sticking with HHM to experiment. He is using the same model every meet, regardless of conditions. Since 95+% of what happens in the air results from what you do on the ground and how you set up your take off, isnt it better to learn one way or the other and stick with that, rather than switch back and forth for different meets, forcing yourself to vault two different ways? It just seems like it would mess with your muscle memory and instinctive movements by using two models during the same season.

[BritDawg]

I guess you misunderstood. I never switched back and forth. Once I started pushing the pole, I never carried again in any meet until I got to college and my coach wanted me to try for a couple of meets. What we were meaning by knowing how to do both is that if you happen to get to a meet where there is a lip on the box or a crack in the runway or something that would prevent the pole from sliding down the runway, it would be ok to carry the pole in that case. But, we never practiced both. Those of us that started pushing the pole had oringinally learned how to pole vault carrying the pole so it wasn't a big deal to carry it for one meet if we had to. But like lonestar said, there was only one meet he's ever been to that that happend.

[tony]

What I think is that we should get Tye Harvey to discuss what he is doing with the HHT. I have asked him to write something more but he may need more encouragement from some of you.

[rainbowgirl28]

Tito is one of the original members of this board. I wonder if he still knows his log in.

[tony]

Call him and let's get the party started

[rainbowgirl28]

Recent video of Tito pushing (sliding) the pole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAx9m4Evulc

[vault3rb0y]

Wow, thats freakin awesome...

[VFG]

Tye who can generate more speed by sliding the pole along the runway reasons that the extra speed will translate into extra height.

is this generation of speed a perception or has this actually been a calculated analyzed measurement of pure runway velocity?

I'd like to see some tests done on several athletes to see comparisons between the two models

[rainbowgirl28]

Tye who can generate more speed by sliding the pole along the runway reasons that the extra speed will translate into extra height.

is this generation of speed a perception or has this actually been a calculated analyzed measurement of pure runway velocity?

I'd like to see some tests done on several athletes to see comparisons between the two models

Tye spent years at Bell Athletics where they have a speed trap. I don't know for sure, but I feel confident that he has run both ways through the speed trap and is basing his statements off data from that.

I will email him and find out for sure. I would love to see how the numbers compare.