Push Plant technique

[powerplant42]

Yes, I thought of Fosbury myself when writing my post, I must admit... Of course if an athlete has a disability which makes them unable to carry a pole correctly, then that's a great idea, and I applaud you for getting a would-be turn-down to become a very good vaulter.

What I meant by leaning back is that to get your body straight at take-off, you would need to slow velocity somewhere to get your body straight, most likely pivoting around the hips. Also, with the switch point energy, I meant that the pole will have a sort of snap/whip effect to it. I don't really know how to explain that. It's just that the pole has more velocity downward, then if you lever it with your bottom arm effectively, there will be more pole momentum at take-off. Do you see what I'm getting at? It isn't all that much more energy, (I don't think,) but it could make the difference between an 18'7'' and a 19'1''. You make very good points on this issue, though.

[gtc]

I'd say it's clear as mud!

[lonestar]

http://www.polevaultworld.com/Britni400.mpg

I rest my case.

[powerplant42]

Pretty good, pretty good, I must admit... However, she isn't leaning forward at all, taking no advantage of the major benefit of this model. If she had carried a pole, then she would have had weight out in front of her and could have used that do help her down the runway. Instead, she pushes a pole.

[rainbowgirl28]

From the Tiger Bar Sports newsletter:

Tye Employs the "Harvey's Horizontal Technique" in the PV

The physics of the pole vault converts horizontal speed into
vertical lift. Tye who can generate more speed by sliding the pole along the runway reasons that the extra speed will translate into extra height.

He has already cleared 18' 8" using HHT and feels that is just the beginning. "I am faster sliding the pole. Now it is up to my form to capture the extra force generated by the speed."

Tye is working with ESSX to create a tip for the HHT. "There is no foreseeable reason that I can't reach a new PB" says Harvey who has vaulted over 19 feet. 2001 World Indoor Silver medalist Tye Harvey has a passion for all things mechanical. He also loves the pole vault like few others. His zeal has lead him to employ the push or slide technique (Harvey's Horizontal Technique) to propel his career upward.

[powerplant42]

But I'm sure we'll never know how high would be able to vault with a carry...

[Vault&Flip]

But I'm sure we'll never know how high would be able to vault with a carry...

Tye? He's vaulted with a carry for the majority of his career. Maybe I'm missing your point.

[powerplant42]

What I'm saying is that if he had continued he may have been able to become better than he is now with the HHT method, but I'm sure he will never revert back to carrying. So, as I said before, we'll never know how good he could've been with a carry. Although lonestar says that due to the 'floating tip' that he's abandoned the push plant, so perhaps I'm mistaken.

[rainbowgirl28]

What I'm saying is that if he had continued he may have been able to become better than he is now with the HHT method, but I'm sure he will never revert back to carrying. So, as I said before, we'll never know how good he could've been with a carry. Although lonestar says that due to the 'floating tip' that he's abandoned the push plant, so perhaps I'm mistaken.

You are mistaken about several things because you don't know Tye and have not followed his career so you are just guessing at several things.

Tye has bounced back and forth between the two techniques for many years. He has been vaulting for a long time, and I think it is safe to say that he has jumped as high as he will jump carrying the pole. He has not jumped particularly close to his PR in several years.

I will be amazed if he can jump a new PR pushing the pole, not because I think it is an inferior technique, but because I think that he may be past the prime of his career. If he can get anywhere near 5.80 it will be a true testament that this is a more efficient technique for him, I don't think he can do it on pure athleticism.

I am interested to see how he comes up with a solution for the tip not dropping into the box at high speeds. I know in the past he has experimented with trying to bounce it into the box, but this is difficult to do with any consistency.

I don't think Tye has anything to lose at this point by fully devoting himself to this technique.

After a year of coaching high school, I still feel strongly that this is a great technique for getting beginners off the ground quickly and safely.

[achtungpv]

It should be noted that if you are a high schooler with a desire to vault in college, it will be in your best interest to learn how to vault carrying the pole. The number of college coaches that will recruit you pushing the pole is probably less than 10. Most of those few will make you switch to carrying. This is irrelevant to whether it is a superior technique or not. The fact is very few collegiate coaches will want to spend time learning to coach the technique or spend the time teaching you to carry.

[BritDawg]

powerplant42: Like Rainbowgirl said, you are just guessing on some things, and not just regaurding Tye. Until you have seen the effects/benefits of this model or actually done it yourself, you really have no basis to go on. You are just assuming. The bottom line is, what works for one person may not work for another, and no one has to agree with it.

However, she isn't leaning forward at all, taking no advantage of the major benefit of this model.

I am leaning slightly forward in my run, but at my take off I have to straighten up slightly in order to be able to jump UP AND OUT and get in the pocket. And unlike many vaulters, I don't have any loss in velocity at my take off with the elimination of the plant, which allows me to get on MUCH bigger poles!

If she had carried a pole, then she would have had weight out in front of her and could have used that do help her down the runway. Instead, she pushes a pole.

you make no point here. Are you still arguing that I would be faster if I carried the pole??

[tony]

If anyone is really interested in the push/slide technique really should talk to Tye Harvey. He has vaulted higher than anyone 18-8 using the HHT. He plans on improving and perfecting it. Check the article at www.tigerbarsports.com under tiger talk interesting read.

TR