Such Thing as Too Much Penetration?

[JTred]

Today I was at a jv meet and I got a foot below my pr. The thing is, I pushed my standards back to 31 1/2 and I was still hitting the bar on the way up. I even almost went out the back of the pit. I don't think I should be getting this much penetration since I just moved up like 2 handholds and now I'm at the top of the pole. I tried my hardest to look up and not at the bar and get inverted. How can I get inverted faster and transfer my energy into vertical instead of horizontal?

[theflyingkorean]

I would have to wager a guess that you are BLOWING through your pole if you are almost going out of the back of the pit.

[lonestar]

Get a bigger pole.

[ECVaulter]

Yeah I think the only logical thing to do is get a bigger pole.

[Russ]

Yes, ideally you need a stiffer pole; and maybe a longer one too. You are blowing through so badly that the standard advice, "up 6 inches back 5 lbs." may not apply in your situation. Let me elaborate.

Typically, if someone is holding at the top of their pole and blowing through, the standard advice is to move to a pole 6 inches longer and 5 lbs. softer. Example: If you are holding at the top of an 11-130 and blowing through (the way you describe your jump - standards at the max 31.5"/80 cm but still hitting the bar on the way up you are a poster-child for "blowing through"), the next logical pole to move to is an 11'6"-125 (6 inches longer and 5 lbs. softer...assuming that you are still "legal" on a pole 5 lbs. softer). But because you are blowing through to such an extent, it may make sense to go "6 inches up, same weight rating." For most manufacturers' poles 6" in length is equal to roughly 10 lbs. in stiffness. So, in your case of an extreme blow through, a 10 lbs. increase will PROBABLY be okay.

Other opinions?

If another pole is not an option right now ($$$? not enough time to order another? etc.), you can use a "band-aid"/quick fix by moving in a left with your current pole. In other words, if you are running 7 lefts, you might try moving in to 6 lefts. That'll reduce your speed incrementally, which should, theoretically, make it so you won't blow through quite so badly. If you still blow through with one less left, try reducing your run by 2 lefts. This kind of adjustment, as I said, is probably best if viewed as just a temporary fix until you can get the right pole.

[izzystikchik]

Get a bigger pole.

I second that! And remember that this is a GOOD problem, it means you're vault is getting better...like the other guy i was telling, you could have a slow trail leg, but to me it sounds like you just need a stiffer pole, i would go for stiffer before going to longer...my 2cents

[izzystikchik]

f another pole is not an option right now ($$$? not enough time to order another? etc.), you can use a "band-aid"/quick fix by moving in a left with your current pole. In other words, if you are running 7 lefts, you might try moving in to 6 lefts. That'll reduce your speed incrementally, which should, theoretically, make it so you won't blow through quite so badly. If you still blow through with one less left, try reducing your run by 2 lefts. This kind of adjustment, as I said, is probably best if viewed as just a temporary fix until you can get the right pole.

Yup, thats a good idea too Last year at state, i kept penetrating too much, so my coach had to move me in a shoe! It worked though...

[patybobady]

Yup, thats a good idea too Last year at state, i kept penetrating too much, so my coach had to move me in a shoe! It worked though...

Wait, I'm confused. I believe Russ meant (but I could be wrong) that you go one contact less, not just a shoe or move your step closer by 1'. Moving your step in 1' will not prevent too much penetration, bigger poles and higher grip (if not overbending) are what is needed. That or moving the step shorter, from say 5 lefts instead of 6.

[master]

Your description would indicate, as everyone has already said, you need a bigger pole. Tell us the details of your jump.
what height were you jumping
pole length
grip height
pole weight rating
your weight
number of lefts in your run

[Russ]

Yes, you are right, Patybobady, I did mean to move up one or two lefts (not just a shoe length).

[distancejumper]

well they both make perfect sense. I have found just one problem with that that's pretty unique. This girl on my team hods at like 11ft for a full run, but if she takes off just 1 left, her grips drops down to like 9'6....thats prolly not how it is with you though

[JTred]

Your description would indicate, as everyone has already said, you need a bigger pole. Tell us the details of your jump.
what height were you jumping
pole length
grip height
pole weight rating
your weight
number of lefts in your run

Pole length=13'
grip=12'6"
Rating=135
My weight=134
Lefts=7
Attempt Height=9'

I was bending the heck out of the pole but I haven't cleared 9' at 12'6 grip yet, but i've cleared 9'6 at around 12' grip Could this be because at 12'6" I was getting more bend?