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Is 18ft vault possible for women

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Unread postby agapit » Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:42 pm

USMC Vaulter wrote:Did anyone else notice the following two things

Agapit wrote: Toby Stevenson cleared 6m like that compensating to achieve higher grip. I must say that in the long run, thinking about 6.40, this could be an excessive action that would prevent energy maximization.

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[quote="Agapit"]Look at the American Record Holder Scott Huffman and his Famous “Huffman Rollâ€Â

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Unread postby agapit » Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:48 pm

Erica wrote:If you look at #3 under common passive phases, it talks about "vertical" a little bit, but may not be very clear on why it is not desirable to attempt to do this. When a vaulter slows their forward and upward momentum in order to "get back" or "drop to the shoulders" they have a passive phase in which they must then wait for the pole to lift them while they are in that "vertical" position.

If more focus is put on generating speed and power at the takeoff with the correct angle, and contunuing and maintaining that speed through the entire vault, there will be much more upward progress and continuation of that progess, resulting in a higher vault. Many elite vaulters can make it look like they are getting completely vertical, but this is the result of the angle and the momentum generated at takeoff and continued through the swing. It is not because of an attemp to get upsidedown. Like the article mentioned, there are elite vaulters that obviously don't get upside down, and it does not limit them. Look at video of Markov and Feofanova.

So basically, try to generate as much momentum as possible so that when you swing your feet are higher in the air with more momentum behind you, instead of trying to get to your back and wait to be lifted.


If you ever vaulted on a rigid pole you would understand that you cannot wait for pole to lift you. There is nothing there to lift you. On the rigid pole you would never get perfectly inverted. So, why the fiberglass is different?
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Unread postby agapit » Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:49 pm

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Erica wrote:If you look at #3 under common passive phases, it talks about "vertical" a little bit, but may not be very clear on why it is not desirable to attempt to do this. When a vaulter slows their forward and upward momentum in order to "get back" or "drop to the shoulders" they have a passive phase in which they must then wait for the pole to lift them while they are in that "vertical" position.

If more focus is put on generating speed and power at the takeoff with the correct angle, and contunuing and maintaining that speed through the entire vault, there will be much more upward progress and continuation of that progess, resulting in a higher vault. Many elite vaulters can make it look like they are getting completely vertical, but this is the result of the angle and the momentum generated at takeoff and continued through the swing. It is not because of an attemp to get upsidedown. Like the article mentioned, there are elite vaulters that obviously don't get upside down, and it does not limit them. Look at video of Markov and Feofanova.

So basically, try to generate as much momentum as possible so that when you swing your feet are higher in the air with more momentum behind you, instead of trying to get to your back and wait to be lifted.


If you ever vaulted on a rigid pole you would understand that you cannot wait for pole to lift you. There is nothing there to lift you. On the rigid pole you would never get perfectly inverted. So, why the fiberglass is different?
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Markov is a good vaulter. But you cannot tell me that Markov can vault 6.40. Well many professional would sware to you that Bubka could.
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Unread postby agapit » Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:07 pm

wacky274 wrote:I am very interested in hearing more about this, where can I find more information?


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Unread postby agapit » Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:11 pm

Erica wrote:If you look at #3 under common passive phases, it talks about "vertical" a little bit, but may not be very clear on why it is not desirable to attempt to do this. When a vaulter slows their forward and upward momentum in order to "get back" or "drop to the shoulders" they have a passive phase in which they must then wait for the pole to lift them while they are in that "vertical" position.

If more focus is put on generating speed and power at the takeoff with the correct angle, and contunuing and maintaining that speed through the entire vault, there will be much more upward progress and continuation of that progess, resulting in a higher vault. Many elite vaulters can make it look like they are getting completely vertical, but this is the result of the angle and the momentum generated at takeoff and continued through the swing. It is not because of an attemp to get upsidedown. Like the article mentioned, there are elite vaulters that obviously don't get upside down, and it does not limit them. Look at video of Markov and Feofanova.

So basically, try to generate as much momentum as possible so that when you swing your feet are higher in the air with more momentum behind you, instead of trying to get to your back and wait to be lifted.


I think you are right. The elite vaulters do not try to get back "vertical" instead they try to get quicker over the higher bar, if that makes sence to you.
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Unread postby lonestar » Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:49 pm

Agapit, I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Part of buying into a philosophy though is knowing the credibility of the author. Who are you, where are you from, who do you know, how do you know all of this information?

Staying anonymous lends no credibility to your manifesto.
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lonestar wrote:Agapit, I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Part of buying into a philosophy though is knowing the credibility of the author. Who are you, where are you from, who do you know, how do you know all of this information?

Staying anonymous lends no credibility to your manifesto.


I love TX vaulters.

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Unread postby ladyvolspvcoach » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:22 pm

I discerne a Ukrainian accent in your writings agapit!! Am I correct??

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ladyvolspvcoach wrote:I discerne a Ukrainian accent in your writings agapit!! Am I correct??
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lonestar wrote:Agapit, I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Part of buying into a philosophy though is knowing the credibility of the author. Who are you, where are you from, who do you know, how do you know all of this information?

Staying anonymous lends no credibility to your manifesto.


My guess is Roman Botcharnikov.
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Unread postby lonestar » Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:09 am

achtungpv wrote:
lonestar wrote:Agapit, I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Part of buying into a philosophy though is knowing the credibility of the author. Who are you, where are you from, who do you know, how do you know all of this information?

Staying anonymous lends no credibility to your manifesto.


My guess is Roman Botcharnikov.


That was my guess also.
Any scientist who can't explain to an eight-year-old what he is doing is a charlatan. K Vonnegut


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