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Unread postby souleman » Thu Jan 13, 2005 3:22 pm

That's exactly how I planned to start with my "come back". I thought that was what it was but wasn't sure. I'd like to see more. Oh yeah, if there's a web picture and foto of "Bubkas" I'd like to see that too. Later............Mike

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Unread postby DFW-ELITEpv » Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:28 pm

VaultMD, you of all people ......lol......My motor is my heart not my brain.
The brain can not work without the heart but the heart can work without the brain. reguardless what you call it , the brain is not the motor, maybe a transmission, processor, hard drive, generator which ever.
I take that back , I've been called a " block head " may be a v-8 small BLOCK HEAD, thats what they meant a motor in my head or motor head.

everyone knows the phrase " muscle memory" or you know what they mean.

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Unread postby Mecham » Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:19 pm

lonestar wrote:Just like a computer runs off programs, so does your brain, which in turn tells your muscles what to do. If you program it wrong, which can be done in just 1 wrong repetition, it can often take hundreds of repetitions to "re-program" your brain to tell your body how to do it the right way.
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Unread postby lonestar » Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:50 am

vaultmd wrote:Well said, Kris.

CU in Reno.


I did learn something in my Motor Learning graduate course. :idea:

Wilson, what day are you getting into Reno? I'll be there wednesday through sunday.
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Unread postby lonestar » Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:00 am

souleman wrote:Kris, where is a good explaination and internet demo on that Earl Bell excercise. Sounds to me that it could be the best thing for me to do when I start jumping again. Later....Mike


Mike,

Don't know if there is any good explanation and/or demo on the web of what we call the "EB Drill" or "Zero Step." It's easy to demonstrate, but difficult to describe. I'll do my best here:

Stand in front of the front buns of the pit with your feet together. Assuming you're right-handed, place the pole tip along the outside of your left foot, and grip about a fist lower than your highest standing reach with your right hand, place your left hand on the pole at about your right armpit, so that the pole is diagonally placed along the front of your body, and you are looking past the left side of it. Step backwards with your right foot, rocking onto your left heel, then push off the ground, drive your right knee up, turn left towards the pole, and land on your feet with your hips between your hands on the front bun, your right hand on your right hip, and the pole across your abdomen. You must have total and complete balance with your hips between your hands. After you've mastered that, jump from 2 steps into the pit and complete the same action with a low grip (standing reach plus about 6 fists up), starting around 13'0 on the runway. Then do it over a bungee, then do it again but complete your turn and push the pole back, then a bar, raising your grip gradually as needed per bar height. When you max out, go back 10-12 shoes, up another fist on grip, and do it from 4 steps. (At 2 steps we simply slide the pole in, and carry from 4 on). Check out the photos that Becca posted on the previous page for clarification of what I described. If y'all still don't get it, make a trip to Jonesboro and go to Earl's camp. It will be well worth the money and time!

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Unread postby souleman » Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:49 am

Very cool! That;'s kinda what I thought they were but wasn't sure. As I said in an earlier thread I basically coached myself in High School. Funny thing is is that I did many of those same excercises back in the mid to late 60's. I didn't know any better and just started doing them cause I figured it immulated the vaulting action. I did them on the pull up handle bar on a universal machine. Later.........oh yeah, and thanks again for all your help............Mike

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Unread postby vaultmd » Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:48 pm

lonestar wrote:
vaultmd wrote:Well said, Kris.

CU in Reno.


I did learn something in my Motor Learning graduate course. :idea:

Wilson, what day are you getting into Reno? I'll be there wednesday through sunday.


Driving up Wed after work.

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Unread postby Robert schmitt » Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:42 pm

lonestar wrote:Muscles don't have memory, your brain does. The term muscle memory is used all the time, but is an outdated, incorrect term. Every time you perform a movement, your brain starts writing a "motor program." Just like a computer runs off programs, so does your brain, which in turn tells your muscles what to do. If you program it wrong, which can be done in just 1 wrong repetition, it can often take hundreds of repetitions to "re-program" your brain to tell your body how to do it the right way. So practice good habits in everything you do.

There are a lot of drills out there, and most of them only make you good at doing that drill, but don't affect your vault that much. Pop-ups are a great example. How many people have you seen that can do awesome pop-ups, really crank upside down and all, but can't even get their hips to their hands on a real vault? A pop-up is a lot different than a real jump, a whole different motor program, and once you add more speed, grip, and are bending the pole, you have a whole different dynamic to try to invert upon. Choose drills that most closely resemble the vault.

Earl Bell's "Zero-Step" Drill on the front of the pit is an excellent one. Why? Because once you master it with no steps, you add 2 steps and do the same thing, then a bungee, then a bar, and then keep adding 2 more steps every time you max out on bar height. The movement itself never really changes, just the degree and speed to which you do it. Whenever you can turn a drill into a vault with as little deviation as possible, you've got a good drill.


Yeah!!! I've finally found someone else that realizes a muscle dosn't have an IQ. It drive's me nuts in my professional practice and in coaching when people ramble on about mucle memory. It's the nervous system and proprioception!
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Unread postby rainbowgirl28 » Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:41 pm

souleman wrote:Kris, where is a good explaination and internet demo on that Earl Bell excercise. Sounds to me that it could be the best thing for me to do when I start jumping again. Later....Mike


Here is video of Bubba McLean vaulting from 2 steps (1 left)
http://www.jscott615.com/photos/bubba2step.wmv

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Unread postby lonestar » Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:51 pm

rainbowgirl28 wrote:
souleman wrote:Kris, where is a good explaination and internet demo on that Earl Bell excercise. Sounds to me that it could be the best thing for me to do when I start jumping again. Later....Mike


Here is video of Bubba McLean vaulting from 2 steps (1 left)
http://www.jscott615.com/photos/bubba2step.wmv


That's cool - what is that like 12'0?
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Unread postby vaulter870 » Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:59 pm

who care thats sweet!!
If you cant do it right , do if 10000 more times till you can


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