Danielle O'Reilly 12-10

Bruce Caldwell · Unread postby **Bruce Caldwell** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 5:14 pm

Readers: you be the judgeÃ¢â‚¬Â¦

http://www.hipathletics.com/html/michae ... __10_.html
And
http://www.hipathletics.com/html/daniel ... 2__8_.html

Items edited 1/21/04 by request

Unread postby **rainbowgirl28** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 5:26 pm

So the reporters got it wrong when they said she was on a 12-3 pole?

Bruce Caldwell · Unread postby **Bruce Caldwell** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 5:37 pm

rainbowgirl28 wrote:So the reporters got it wrong when they said she was on a 12-3 pole?

I am told she is holding 12'3"

yeahh right · Unread postby **yeahh right** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 6:01 pm

10" is VERY different from 18".

very interesting that Bruce cares to make this personal. Perhaps he feels ESSX is under attack. I actually like Essx poles. I have jumped on them myself. I think they are great, and particularly like the scribes on the end of the poles.

Know that no part of this is personal, and in no way is this an attack on Essx. I am not willing to waste any more time arguing what heights have occured and what heights havent. I have done what I feel is necessary by having set forth what facts about the vaults have aroused suspicion from myself and many others, and the true test will be to see if these athletes make bars even close to their "PR's" elsewhere, at reputable meets such as Penn, New Balance, NSIC, Nike Indoor etc etc.

So, we'll see if they make some heights and erase all doubt. I'm sure many will be watching.

Bruce Caldwell · Unread postby **Bruce Caldwell** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 6:18 pm

yeahh right wrote:very interesting that Bruce cares to make this personal. Perhaps he feels ESSX is under attack.

I do not feel that ESSX is under attack.
I Just hate to see these kids who work so hard to have fun be defamed no matter what brand pole they are on.
Some rely on results to obtain scholarships and if doubt is presented, unfounded or because someone was jealous of the owner of the facility this can affect those athlete's future.

saraf · Unread postby **saraf** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:04 am

yea as i was thinking .. HiP is good stuff. yea people PR there ... i would think people do taht at welly equipted facilities .. and yes i can't spell ... but any way its not our fault if we PR there if there is like 1000000 poles and a fast runway

saraf · Unread postby **saraf** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:15 am

to "yea right" well if you look in the video i am standing right there.. i can spicificaly remember the day that mike jumped the hieght of 15-10.... yea mabe it doesn't look good in the video, i have lots of videos of me they look like crap well so what he is a hard working kid and jsut give him a break, we are all jsut athletes trying to do out best. aren't pole vaulters all suppose to be on one team and help each other? thats what i always though so yea

polecat · Unread postby **polecat** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 9:29 am

I personally have visited HIP athletics and met with the owner. It is a first-class facility run by a first-class person who is trying to do the best for the athletes -- mostly youths who are trying to learn the sport. This is exactly what the sport needs. My only regret is that we live too far away from the facility to take advantage of it on a regular basis.

VTechVaulter · Unread postby **VTechVaulter** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:37 am

well, it looks like yeah right has done some r&d on his theory. but the fact remains, until you personally go jump there, or go look at the facilities. But plenty of people pop jumps out of now where, you just have a day when things click.

my senior year of h.s. i opened my season with
13'
13'6
13'
14'

and then the next meet went 15'1 and a week later 15'3. New pole got in and it was all she wrote for that streak. But you cant just assume that automatically something is wrong. Now im sure your gonna watch and if she doesnt clear it again within a few weeks you pull that card out. but breakthroughs in the pole vault are often hard to duplicate right away. A newly learned technique can be easily forgotten in not grooved enough. theres just a whole lot of variables that you can not account for.

or maybe theres just a BIGGGG fan at the back of the runway, and its like AZ state where theres a practice runway 8 inches taller at the back.

Skyin' Brian · Unread postby **Skyin' Brian** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:54 pm

just because a vaulter jumps high once in a year doesnt mean that it wasnt legitimate. now, if this was a practice mark, even over a crossbar, it is not legit, but in a santioned meet you have to accept marks for the most part. i know that some meets are poorly run and sometimes heights arent even measured. and sometimes speculation about a certain mark can be correct, but this facility seems to have its stuff together. plus relying on video footage isnt the best proof since angles can sometimes be deceptive. i have a picture of myself that was in the paper of me in high school clearing 14-2 on a 14-6 pole gripping at about 13-9
that was taken from the back of the pit and it looks like the bar is much higher than it really is. in this instance my vault looked more impressive than it really was, but there are also angles where vaults can look less impressive. and going from 12 to 12-10 is a big improvement, but things like that happen all of the time. if she goes back to hip athletics and jumps 14-10 then ill be more doubtful.

letmejump · Unread postby **letmejump** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 8:27 pm

I have been to this facility and it is a wonderful place. The owner started this place to make a place for jumpers to be able to jump. There is nothing non-legitimate about it. it seems to me that 'yeahh right' seems a little jelous of this facility. and is definitally bashing other athletes.

Sqeaky · Unread postby **Sqeaky** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 8:28 pm

I have been jumping at HIP since last year and agree with others that say it is an excellent facility with great coaching. After reading some of these responses about this topic I would like to make some comments.

I do not understand why 'yeahh right' would suggest the things he does unless he has something very personal against Danielle, her father, Mike Davis or HIP and is trying to discredit them.

This forum should not be the place to settle some type of grudge.

Interestingly enough, in reading some of the things written by 'yeahh right' it looks like he has closely followed Danielle's career. 'Yeahh right' states the following:
'her best height outside of the facility is 12-0 as a sophomore at an AAU/USATF meet'
'in the summer of 2002, O'Reilly and her father touted a 12-6 personal best at several camps'
'There were some comments in Reno as to why she was even jumping on HS pit #1'

It looks to me as if 'Yeahh right' has some type of jealous involved with Danielle and wonder why ? A former boyfriend ? A scorned former coach ?

Maybe it is something against HIP and Danielle is just being criticized.

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