kcvault wrote: ... Since I have seen video of you touching a 10 foot rim, if you have a 10-6 grip and there is an 8 inch drop in the box the pole plug should just barely contact the box, making barely any noise instead of the thud it makes in these videos.
That's a very good way of looking at this, KC!

I hadn't thought about the takeoff this way before! In fact, it never even occurred to me to glean anything from the sound track of PV vids!
Kirk