5 alive

[vcpvcoach]

Hi all,
I need to find a way to explain the "5 alive" running of the vault. I tried to do a search but it never gave me results.

I'm trying to get our Sectional to stop 2 and 1 vaulting.

Thanks

[master]

I found this power point presentation on the web some time ago. It was useful to me to learn how to run 5-alive. (Credit to the author is in the presentation.) I know I have another description, but I haven't found it on my hard drive yet. If I do, I will post it also.

- master

[bambam]

Here is my best explanation

10 competitors #1-10
(o) = Cleared height
(x) = Missed attempt
1st cycle
1 1 jump (x)
2 2 jump (x)
3 3 jump (o)
4 4 jump (o)
5 5 jump (x)
6 x wait – now in rotation
7 x wait – now in rotation
8 x wait
9 x wait
10 x wait

new rotation
1 1 2nd jump (o)
2 2 2nd jump (x)
3 x cleared
4 x cleared
5 3 2nd jump (x)
6 4 1st attempt (x)
7 5 1st attempt (x)
8 x wait – now in rotation
9 x wait
10 x wait

new rotation
1 x cleared
2 1 3rd attempt (x) OUT
3 x cleared
4 x cleared
5 2 3rd attempt (x) OUT
6 3 2nd attempt (x)
7 4 2nd attempt (x)
8 5 1st attempt (x)
9 x wait – now in rotation
10 x wait – now in rotation

new rotation
1 x cleared
2 x OUT
3 x cleared
4 x cleared
5 x OUT
6 1 3rd attempt
7 2 3rd attempt
8 3 2nd attempt
9 4 1st attempt
10 5 1st attempt

[jussi]

I watched a 5-alive meet recently where a vaulter at the end of the list got stuck doing consecutive vaults--probably not good for the vaulter and definitely slows the meet down while the vaulter rests between attempts. Alan Roark has the following suggestion on pvei.

[i]Note 3: I believe that the following is really important. It may be necessary to do “7 aliveâ€

[drcurran]

I believe if you "do" 5 alive or 7 alive or any number alive you can still hang the last vaulter with having to do consecutive vaults. Even without 5 alive the last vaulter can get "hung out to dry". If everyone makes their first attempt and the last vaulter does not, then she / he will have to vault consecutively. Yes?

Dan

[master]

Yes. That exact situation happened a week ago at districts to a vaulter I help coach.

- master

[indestructo]

True, but a vaulter can be left hanging without five alive as well....

Trying to pick up that last 1 or 2 vaulters in a five alive system will give them the best chance at not being left hanging....

[AVC Coach]

I've been to just a few meets where the officials went down the WHOLE list of vaulters. There was about a 30-45 minute wait between vaults. There is no way this is better than 5 alive.

[Vaultref]

That presentation my Jim was presented out at the 2004 Trials. It is
very good and easy to learn.

The basics of 5-alive is that once you miss, you will be making your next attempt five jumps later. This is always the case.. Any deviation from
this is not the correct way to run 5-alive.

One you "make" a bar, the next jumper to enter competition, will take your slot in the rotation. Which means he makes his/her first jump five down in the order. Someone trying to follow you from the bleachers may wonder why you are jumping all over the sheet and the answer is that's how a true 5-alive works.

5-alive does NOT in itself cause someone down in the order to have to make consecutive jumps. This is just bad luck because every one in front of him/her did better.

All rule codes say you may use 5-alive, but only USATF and NCAA define when to stop using it.
- USATF says to stop the procedure when you start a new height and there are fewer than 12 left in the entire competition.
- NCAA says to stop within a height when the total number is fewer than 9.
- NF says nothing.

So for USATF, once the procedure is stopped, you never start it up again.
For NCAA you might start and stop it several times during the entire competition.
For NF, you never stop until, well, there are less that four remaining.

Since there is no NF guideline, I tend to follow NCAA procedure and stop using it during a bar as the number remaining at that bar gets down to 10,9 and lower.

[vaultmd]

If you use a magnetic white board (commonly available at most office supply stores) as your clipboard with a bunch of small magnets (usually available in the same section as the magnetic white boards), it makes running 5 alive much easier, since you can have a magnet next to the names of the active vaulters and easily change them as people rotate in and out of the order.

There are other benefits to using the magnetic white board instead of a traditional clipboard, but right now I don't have time to go into them here.

[drcurran]

vaultmd -
I used a clip board with magnets and it worked great until something happened and the magnets got "scrambled". I made a clip board with about 2" of hard rubber down the left side. Now I use small flags (the kind maps are marked with) or push pins. The flags or pins are numbered and they work great. Of course, anything could happen and the pin / flags could get dislodged, but it would take much more force to move the pins than the magnets.
Another advantage to the flags, pins, or magnets is that the athletes can look over my shoulder and have some idea as to how soon they will be entering the competition.
OK just my .02

Dan

[vcpvcoach]

Hey all,
I use a standard clip board with some of my daughters hair clips. They also hold down the paper.