Q about a Rule- Passing your last attempt.

[primetime614]

say you past your last attempt at a height and make it then you make it again, but the guy you are vaulting aganist ties you at the top height but made it on his second attempt at the next to highest hight, who wins???

like this

Vaulter A - O XXP O XXO
Vaulter B - O XO XO XXO

[higherflyer]

I think that A wins by making same height as b but on his first jump at that height.

[rainbowgirl28]

They tie. They tied at the winning height and had the same number of total misses.

If they were the last athletes in the competition, it would be time for a jumpoff!

[newPVer]

Becca, Do you have the official rule number for this answer? I have always thought that the person with the most recent miss would be the looser.

Thanks

[achtungpv]

No. And your starting height doesn't matter either.

It is misses at final height and then overall number of misses.

I have a memory from HS of:
*deleted because old rules don't matter*

I'm not sure if those were rules back in the day or just a poor knowledge of the rules that is still passed on.

[Vaultref]

It would be best for all to not bring up old rules or what might have been old rules to determine the the places. It only matters what it is today.

I still hear young athletes say they really thought you go back to the
previous height to determine who won or placed heigher.

Don't know where they have heard this or read it, but it's a myth that needs to be busted!

[rainbowgirl28]

It would be best for all to not bring up old rules or what might have been old rules to determine the the places. It only matters what it is today.

I still hear young athletes say they really thought you go back to the
previous height to determine who won or placed heigher.

Don't know where they have heard this or read it, but it's a myth that needs to be busted!

I agree. It is too confusing to have people posting what they think is right or what it used to be. It is important to only have the correct information online. I cannot believe how often people screw something this simple up.

[BethelPV]

Doesn't this also depend on how the state has set up their rules as well? My dad is a coach in Michigan and told me that Michigan actually has their own rule book aside from that of the high school federation. The Michigan rule book says that you are supposed to go back to the previous height... it doesn't say anything about counting the total misses. So what would you suggest to do in a situation like that?

[VaultPurple]

o what is the official way to determine who wins if there is a tie at the finial height?

whoever got the last height in the most tries?
and if they have it in same tries you count total scraches?

so making the last height on your first try even though you scrached twice at every height befor that beats someone that scrached for the first time at the finial height?

because i was in a meet this year that i scratched twice at 11'6, once at 12', none at 12'6, and none at 13'.... and the other guy made all his jumps on the first try except for 13' where it took him all 3 tries..... so who should have won?.... at the meet they gave it to the other guy

[bayouvaulter]

I can go back to 1974 and in Louisiana we used the same rules that apply today, because that's how I won state my junior year in a tie and jump off.
I can't say about rules before then but they must be pretty old rules!

[Vaultref]

Doesn't this also depend on how the state has set up their rules as well? My dad is a coach in Michigan and told me that Michigan actually has their own rule book aside from that of the high school federation. The Michigan rule book says that you are supposed to go back to the previous height... it doesn't say anything about counting the total misses. So what would you suggest to do in a situation like that?

If this is the case, and I have no reason to doubt it, then you have no choice but to use the rules of your state when the meet is held in your state.

I've worked meets with officials who live in Michigan (not high school level) and none ever said the placement rules were different. I'll contact an official/PV coach I know and ask for myself. Why they would do this is not clear as all the other four rule codes handle the situation the same way.

[Vaultref]

o what is the official way to determine who wins if there is a tie at the finial height?

whoever got the last height in the most tries?
and if they have it in same tries you count total scratches?

so making the last height on your first try even though you scratched twice at every height before that beats someone that scratched for the first time at the finial height?

because i was in a meet this year that i scratched twice at 11'6, once at 12', none at 12'6, and none at 13'.... and the other guy made all his jumps on the first try except for 13' where it took him all 3 tries..... so who should have won?.... at the meet they gave it to the other guy

In your example, at the tied height of 13', you win because your clearance was on your first attempt. Plain and simple. Where was the meet and was this a meet sanctioned by NFHS or USATF or no sancation at all.