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Unread postby Soar Like an Eagle » Tue May 09, 2006 9:58 pm

altius wrote:Trey DECA - You are right - There would have been no point in handing carl lewis a pole for the first time and expecting him to jump high!!

Re the 1500 time - yes many folk, including the great Daley T have scored well with poor (5.00 min plus) 1500s. However what is often forgotten about having a good 1500 is
1. the confidence it gives you going into the second day knowing you can finish strong and often pull back 200 points on folk with more talent than you have -
because 2 it is simply a matter of training to get a decent time -compared with mastering the complexities of all of the other four events of the second day and 3 While each of the other events -especially the disc and vault can fall apart for no apparent reason, the 1500 is always a given.

Anyway = this a pole vault forum -enough of this decathlon stuff. ;)


As I remember, Daley Thompson used to train for nine events excluding the 1500. He won two gold medals and would have won a third if he stayed healthy in 1988. His focus was on the explosive events.

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Unread postby TreyDECA » Wed May 10, 2006 12:16 am

altius wrote:I have heard all the rationalisation on this topic before - and still believe that neglecting the 1500 is throwing away easy points! My position is that for a guy who can run 48.33 - and should be running faster cf 100 and 200 times, a 4.20 1500 is a jog in the park - especially for someone who only weighs 190 pounds! After all it is equivalent to a 4.38 mile and that really is a jog for someone of your basic running ability.

You certainly do not need to pound out the miles either - just increase your warm up jog and double your warm down jog (both on grass) - have a long easy recovery run once a week on a golf course - run one session of 5 x 400 at race pace - ie 4.20 pace - every couple of weeks. begin with an easy recovery and then gradually reduce the recovery time. Add an occasional 1200 time trial and you are there! I doubt that amount of running is going to move fast twitch fibres to slow twitch - especially for a mature body.

Incidentally how easy is it to recover from sprint sessions or serious anaerobic sessions if your aerobic base is not really good.

Note i never said you could move from 5.00 to 4.20 in a year but then I doubt anyone could move from 5.00m to 5.60 in a year either.

This topic is close to my heart because back in the late 90s we had a decathlete in adelaide who might have given the world record a nudge but for poor performances in both of the events in question. In a score of 8490 he vaulted 5.00m and ran outside 5.00 for the 1500. "A man convinced against his will remains of the same opinion still."


keep in mind i weighed 212lbs when i went 8465. it was at least 100 degrees on the track. and it was my first meet in over a month and i was coming off an ankle injury that prevented me from doing ANY training at all.

i get what you're saying about longer warm-ups and cool downs. but you don't jack down your time like that by doing stuff every other week on the track and throwing in long runs. i mean we already do a ton more than that in fall and winter for base/work capacity training. and do harder workouts in the spring than 5x400.

and lets be honest... since when is a 4:38 mile a jog in the park for a sprinter/thrower/jumper after 9 events? ;)
8700... mark it down

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Unread postby vault3rb0y » Wed May 10, 2006 8:03 pm

well anyways, haha back to the 100, ive run 11.4 hand time. Most of the insane jumpers can run real low 11's or even in the 10s.
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Unread postby MillerTime » Sun May 14, 2006 8:52 pm

[quote="Soar Like an Eagle"]Thierry Vigneron from France was pretty good jumping 19’5â€Â
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Unread postby vault3rb0y » Mon May 15, 2006 9:26 pm

maybe he ran a 12 flat if he didnt use blocks and fell twice during the race, haha.
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Unread postby Soar Like an Eagle » Tue May 16, 2006 10:24 pm

[quote="MillerTime"][quote="Soar Like an Eagle"]Thierry Vigneron from France was pretty good jumping 19’5â€Â

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Unread postby MillerTime » Wed May 17, 2006 1:08 am

theres no way we was running a 12 flat pace down the runway when he got 19'5, i can tell you that right now. i run 12 flat, and theres no way anyone with my speed could even get a tiny bend out of a 17 foot pole. i cant even bend a 14' thats only 20 lbs over my weight, and all the time i hear that have pretty good form, im sure its not as good as Vigneron's form, but every meet i go to, frm other vaulters i hear "i wish i got vertical like you" and "i wish we could put together your form and my speed." and from the coaches i hear things like "you would be a great vaulter if you worked on your speed, you have great form, i wish my kids had your technique."
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Unread postby vault3rb0y » Wed May 17, 2006 6:32 pm

i think 19'5 is do-able with a 15'6 pole, but i still dont think anyone could get on a stiff enough 15'6 to get the 4ft over their handhold. Ill believe it when i see it.
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Unread postby gtc » Thu May 18, 2006 10:48 am

Soar like an eagle wrote "It helps to be fast, but at the same time if you are not efficient on the runway your speed will not help you jump high. You could run the 100 in 10 flat, but if you stop (block), plant low with no arm pressure, drop your lead leg you are not going jump very high."

Earl Bell jumped pretty well with a very passive lead leg/knee

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Unread postby nitro » Thu May 18, 2006 12:08 pm

it went far enough for him to tuck and shoot
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Unread postby Soar Like an Eagle » Thu May 18, 2006 9:46 pm

gtc wrote:Soar like an eagle wrote "It helps to be fast, but at the same time if you are not efficient on the runway your speed will not help you jump high. You could run the 100 in 10 flat, but if you stop (block), plant low with no arm pressure, drop your lead leg you are not going jump very high."

Earl Bell jumped pretty well with a very passive lead leg/knee


You are right, Earl had a passive lead leg and I do not know how fast he was in the 100 meters. He is 6’3â€Â

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Unread postby MillerTime » Thu May 18, 2006 10:53 pm

have any video of this guy jumping 19'?
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