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Please Crateque.. all help appreciated!(first meet)

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:40 pm
by CavVaulter99
In first video im 5'6 135lbs jumping on a 13' 155lb skypole

Bar is at 12'6 and im holding 12'5
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cX2CJ7_xnKc


In second video bar is at 13' and is only time i came off ground doing it
holding 12'5 on the 13' 155 skypole
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tdfJx0v71qA


In the third video i switched to a lot stiffer 13' 155lb carbon mystic and held at 12'11 but for some reason with this pole even though they are both 13' 155 i can only get up on the carbon occasionaly no matter where i hold.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wMqaD7lGUzo

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:27 am
by lonestar
You raised your grip 6" - basically 2 hands. If you had raised it 1", you might have had a chance.

I'm sure the pole is noticeably stiffer, but giving yourself 6 more inches of grip to try to move to vertical just made it that much more difficult. Yes, it "feels" softer and "bends easier" when you do that, but it will move slower and you'll land closer to the box because you're trying to move a substantially greater amount of grip to vertical than you were before. Next time you do your pop-ups, use a grip you're comfortable with and landing safe and consistent with. Then jack it up 2 hands and see how it feels. It's easier to feel and understand the concept on a non-bending pole than a flexible pole.

...and it's CRITIQUE, not CRATEQUE :devil:

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:53 am
by CavVaulter99
its same result even if i keep the hand hold the same.... if i hold the skypole at the top i crush it but if i hold the carbon at the top i barely break the plane.

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:57 am
by lonestar
CavVaulter99 wrote:if i hold the carbon at the top i barely break the plane.


And if you hold the carbon at 12'5?

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:32 pm
by CavVaulter99
if i hold carbon 12'5, exact same as skypole, i cant get in

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:59 pm
by powerplant42
In the first two, you ran yourself under and planted late it looked like. It was tough to tell in the third one. You've got a pretty good take-off, but then your swing is lacking a powerful drive leg with a whipping trail leg. So, you can't really move your hips up toward the bar effectively, which means you can't really even have a pull/push phase. Just work on getting your plant down early and taking off at the right spot. Then if you could do some highbar work you could clear up your swing to inversion.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:59 pm
by lonestar
CavVaulter99 wrote:if i hold carbon 12'5, exact same as skypole, i cant get in


What are the flex numbers on each pole? They should be engraved or labeled at the top of the pole. Decimal numbers.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:25 pm
by CavVaulter99
i think my plant was too late... yesterday i jumped and the 13' 155 carbon was easy, i even moved up to the top of a 13' 160 carbon... ive just always had a problme timing my plant and having it off to the side at take off

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:54 pm
by powerplant42
OK you need to find a pole and grip height that works for you period. It's probably not too beneficial to be switching around all the time, since different poles behave differently, as do grip heights. If you change your grip height like you are, you should be moving your steps back perhaps. If you think you're ready to simply move your grip up permanently, you should be clearing at least a foot over your current grip. Trying to grip it and rip it just isn't safe or effective. For now, I would say stick with a softer pole with a lower grip height. Once you can cap that pole effectively, move to the stiffer pole.