Review- Slow motion

[starkey480]

altius, practice to me is all about exaggerations, of course your not really going to lean into takeoff but its a mental queue to get yourself to jump into the takeoff with a chest drive. now that advice was meant specifically for him because his hips get sucked and thinking about that will help him get his chest out. it helps me do things right anyways.

[altius]

Starkey old son - if a cue makes sense to YOU that is OK but when you suggest it to someone else they MAY NOT understand it and may misuse it. That is why it is better for you to concentrate on your own vaulting at present and leave the giving of advice to experienced coaches like AVC coach. I admire your enthusiasm but it takes more than enthusiasm to help others in this event - especially through the medium of the printed word. Trust all goes well for you and the family.

[joebro391]

Starkey old son - if a cue makes sense to YOU that is OK but when you suggest it to someone else they MAY NOT understand it and may misuse it. That is why it is better for you to concentrate on your own vaulting at present and leave the giving of advice to experienced coaches like AVC coach. I admire your enthusiasm but it takes more than enthusiasm to help others in this event - especially through the medium of the printed word. Trust all goes well for you and the family.

well said Altius, but I understand what Garret means about personal cues. btw, Garret, I'm sure there are much better vaulters that you can admire than me. -6P

[starkey480]

joe, you crack me up, thats why i put that haha

and gee i guess you guys are right ive never in my whole life talked to an experienced vaulter that knows what they are doing.....

peace out, im done with this site

[joebro391]

joe, you crack me up, thats why i put that haha

and gee i guess you guys are right ive never in my whole life talked to an experienced vaulter that knows what they are doing.....

peace out, im done with this site

hahaha, Garret, you need to calm down a bit. It's not that we don't value your opinion and experience, but sometimes you need to be able to formulate your thoughts in a way that makes the most amount of sense for all parties involved. PVP is a great learning-tool and it'd be ashame if you left just because someone disagreed the Dean Starkey's son. -6P

PS: thanks btw. If I flunk out of college, I plan on going into stand-up

[starkey480]

Maybe, but as of right now I am going to stay away from it and listen to my mom and dad and people that have jumped over 19', i have no business being here and i will leave the advice giving to the professionals as you wish.

[rainbowgirl28]

Garret, you're lucky to have such great coaching resources available to you, and I hope you would always listen to them over anything here.

There's a lot more to PV Power than technique discussion

[joebro391]

Maybe, but as of right now I am going to stay away from it and listen to my mom and dad and people that have jumped over 19', i have no business being here and i will leave the advice giving to the professionals as you wish.

there's plenty you can take from this site that no 19-footer can give you. tell you what, figure out how high Petrov jumped and get back to me. -6P

[starkey480]

I give up, how high did he jump?

[joebro391]

I give up, how high did he jump?

i have absolutely no idea, but if the only people we took advice from were 19-footers like your dad, we wouldn't have Bubka or Isi. I'm sure there are many examples, and I'm not saying your dad isn't a good coach, but you're very ethnocentric about the whole thing. I've worked with some great coaches over the years, but I've still learned things here and from 14-footers that those coaches couldn't convey to me. I've been coached by 17-footers who had no business coaching this event, despite being solid technicians. I'm really just saying, don't be such a stubborn-american vaulter. Broaden yourself or you'll only ever be Dean Starkey's son, not the son of a World Champion that bettered his father. -6P

[starkey480]

I am very open minded about technique, but im not stupid about it and how in the world did that ever come up? if i remember correctly the whole reason this came up is because other people are not open minded and told me my advice was bad and i should leave the coaching to the professionals and publicly disqualify me. tell me who is being closed minded in this scenario! I have gotten advice from tons of people, me and my dad are always looking for new inputs, i get advice from simon arkell, brad walker, jeff hartwig, my dad, nick hysong, tim bright, and a bunch of others and we are completely open to what they say. YOU seem to be the close minded one my friend. I cant watch a single pole vault video on youtube without seeing a comment from you that says that they need to be a petrover!!!! And the funny thing is i have seen those comments on elite college guys videos that are jumping in the high 17s or even elite guys like brad walker!!!!! heres an example for ya http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yUozT73Y1E There are many ways to skin a cat, the people who jump the highest are the ones that perfect the model they were originally taught. jeff hartwig being a perfect example. Now do i strive to be as petrov as possible, yes!!! but do I discredit other peoples styles, no. so am i really that close minded?

And Becca I really havnt explored any other areas of the site, maybe I need to, but no more technique for me.

[joebro391]

Garret, you're right, there are many ways to jump high, but jumping high and jumping one's true potential are two totally different things. Hartwig jumped 6.03 meters which is HUGE, but guess what, had he been a bit more petrov-ish, he probably would have had the world record. THAT is the difference. Uhle for example is a great jumper and I absolutely love watching him jump. He's a great guy and I would I love to see him jump 5.50 this year. HOWEVER, 5.40 is currently a big jump for him, while if he was a bit more petrov-ish, 5.50 should be his average clear. And like you stated on youtube, he's so used to jumping his way that he'll probably never be able to swing like bubka and that will keep him down 15lbs of pole that he should be all over right now. But that's why you find me commenting on so many videos on PVP and on youtube. Cause not only do I just love watching people jump, but I also don't want to see people get caught in a trap, learning bad techniques watching 19' vaulters that only jump 19', not because of technique, but because they're big, hulking guys that are athletically gifted and more fearless than you and I could probably ever hope to be. I still have a lot to learn through experience, which is why this past year I've been more of an observer than anything, but until I'm gone, I'll NEVER say that a vaulter should just "do what works" because there might be many ways to jump high, there's only one way to rep 6.30 in practice.

Right now Lavillinie and Hooker are the two best jumpers in the world. Hooker I actually consider to follow the Petrov technique (like many have said, the double-leg swing is just a variation) so he's not that different, and Lavillinie can always hit a free take-off at nigh 10m/s. Lavillinie, for me, is the one exception of the rule because by Petrov's standards, he's over-gripping a ton, but for a 5'9 jumper, so be it. I'm not so gifted so I don't have a choice to gain everything from technique, and the most efficient way to do that is through the Petrov/Bubka model. I'm not calling you close-minded because of the technique you follow, because believe me, i'm probably the worse in the community about it; I'm calling you close-minded because of what you feel qualifies someone as a good vaulter. You can still learn a lot from other than someone that jumped 18+ I would rather spend learning technique from Dave Butler, Petrov and Branko Miric than Jeff Hartwig and Derek Miles. What I'm trying to say, and maybe it's what frustrates me, is that you, Garret, have a lot more ability than I do and I'd hate to see you fall into the trap of bad habits that you won't be able to get yourself out of, years down the line. -6P