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Re: Help with the top end

Unread postby IAmTheWalrus » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:30 pm

I'm not entirely sure I know how to make muscle disappear. As for your other questions. I can snatch my bodyweight and clean 150% of my bodyweight. My standing long jump is 2.82m, and my standing triple jump is 8.95m.
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Re: Help with the top end

Unread postby Barto » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:02 pm

There are lots of ways to make muscle go away. Bodysculpting is a major part of training. As for power levels, yours need to go up to jump much higher. Snatch should be 150%, clean 175-185%. It is tough to jump over 5.20 with under a 3m standing long jump.

I hope you don't feel like I am picking on you. You are a good vaulter. Your technique is way above average and it is obvious that you work hard at being your best. Train the muscles that make you jump higher. Strip everything else away.
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Re: Help with the top end

Unread postby IAmTheWalrus » Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:12 pm

Thanks for the advice. My former coach has been making up workouts for me at the moment designed to make me faster and more explosive. Basically training like an elite triple jumper according to him. We haven't incorporated lifting yet, he thought it would be a good idea to see how I held up with the workouts + vaulting first. This sort of training should accomplish both goals (power up, extra mass down), right?
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Re: Help with the top end

Unread postby starkey480 » Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:13 pm

it all depends on the time of year..... weight lifting is good for you in the falll then you back off for the season and you start jumping.... when you jump you will keep the important muscle that you use while jumping and lose the muscle that you arnt using. This was always my dads theory

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Re: Help with the top end

Unread postby Barto » Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:56 am

If I have an athlete over 180, I would not recommend any other weight training than snatches, cleans, pushpress, bottom out squats, and squat jumps. Everything else is just exacerbating the problem.
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Re: Help with the top end

Unread postby IAmTheWalrus » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:32 pm

Yeah that's exactly what the plan is, olympic lifts and plyos more or less. And I'm not 180, I'm a little under 175.
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Re: Help with the top end

Unread postby IAmTheWalrus » Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:31 pm

I think I may be better off than I thought. I dipped under 175 this past weekend, and I haven't lifted since January (haven't lifted upper body since December). I think you guys are right, instead of focusing on getting rid of the muscle I don't need, focus on developing the muscles that make me jump higher, in the way that they make me jump higher, and everything else should take care of itself.
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Re: Help with the top end

Unread postby KirkB » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:41 am

IAmTheWalrus wrote: ... I think you guys are right, instead of focusing on getting rid of the muscle I don't need, focus on developing the muscles that make me jump higher, in the way that they make me jump higher, and everything else should take care of itself.

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Re: Help with the top end

Unread postby Barto » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:52 am

I think you got it.
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Re: Help with the top end

Unread postby IAmTheWalrus » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:19 pm

Here is a new video. I think the bottom end is among the best I've had. I only took about 3 jumps today, so I didn't have much time to work on the top end, but I think the takeoff and swing are an improvement on previous weeks. Thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhDVBKOQ5ww

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Re: Help with the top end

Unread postby altius » Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:11 pm

"focus on developing the muscles that make me jump higher" - An even better idea is to focus on the technique you need to jump higher. :yes:
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Re: Help with the top end

Unread postby IAmTheWalrus » Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:22 pm

Can't I do both? O:-)
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