Review- Slow motion

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Re: Review- Slow motion

Unread postby starkey480 » Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:06 pm

you know what joe, your right, there are plenty of people that are world class coaches that didn't jump high themselves. I didnt exactly mean it that way, but i more of meant it in a way that meant they are experienced. I mean hell, if someone had never touched a pole in their life but coached someone else to an elite level then I would be all ears, they are qualified. But, one thing I do get tired of is the what ifs. What if jeff had petrov technique? what if bubka just decided to jump his highest he could possibly jump at a meet? The fact is that it never happened, and I like facts. Like you said about Renaud, everyone has different body styles, so in my opinion, even though renaud isnt petrov, he is still maximizing his abillity by jumping with some different styles. Steve hooker is another great example. Alex Parnov was very smart and didnt totally rip apart hookers jump. Instead he applied the things that he knew were good to hookers existing jump because you cant just change all of a sudden to the way bubka jumps, you would have to be bubka to do that. of course the optimal way is the way bubka pole vaulted, that is a proven fact. but, it would be pretty hard to pole vault the way that he did unless you had petrov for a coach from the age of 10 to insure that you do not pick up nasty habits like being under and tucking. I think I just gained a bunch of respect for you from your last comment :yes:

BTW.... back to the leaning forward thing... what is wrong with that advice? maybe i phrased it wrong..... lead into takeoff with you chest first, does that sound better to everyone? because I know thats what my dad always thought about and tommy skipper does the same thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2HUOvZE8Pk
kirk b seemed to mention that he liked the forward lean in this jump in a forum somewhere, so why am i wrong and he is not?

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Re: Review- Slow motion

Unread postby AVC Coach » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:15 pm

Garret,

Sorry to get you all wound up! I understand you were just trying to get Taylor to "think" about a que, now. I've watched video of you and your dad and I have actually seen your dad jump in person back in the day. Neither of you lean forward or take-off with your hands out in front. The video you just presented of Skipper doesn't show him leaning forward with hands out either. I knew you probably didn't mean that when I read your post, but at the same time I wanted to make sure Taylor didn't take you literally. Maybe I should have taken more time and worded my post a little better. Leading with the chest and finishing the take-off is a far cry from leaning forward with your hands out in front though and I think you know that.

I hope you stick around here on PVP and I hope you have a good season!

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Re: Review- Slow motion

Unread postby Barefoot » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:20 pm

rainbowgirl28 wrote:Garret, you're lucky to have such great coaching resources available to you, and I hope you would always listen to them over anything here.

There's a lot more to PV Power than technique discussion :)


Amen!

I imagine the vast body of vaulters through history have gone their entire "careers" without ever having a "pole vault coach." Most have learned through experience, research, trial and error, and the shared notions (good and bad) of other vaulters. This site is a great resource, filled with brilliant insights and outright BS. But as an open meeting place for vaulters and those who love the vault is has no equal. And its a great place to sample the ideas and passions of people who love the pole vault.
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Re: Review- Slow motion

Unread postby altius » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:56 pm

"Maybe, but as of right now I am going to stay away from it and listen to my mom and dad and people that have jumped over 19', i have no business being here and i will leave the advice giving to the professionals as you wish."

You need to understand that offering an opinion is ok -everyone is entitled to do that - but offering specific advice to another young athlete is another thing entirely. One of the biggest problems in coaching is that of communication. If words are to be used to convey a meaning both parties must clearly understand what those words mean - they must be on the same page so to speak. You obviously know precisely what leaning forward means to you - I must say that I dont and I so would never use that phrase - but what about the young athlete reading those words -what do they mean to them? Suggest you send him some drawings, pictures or some film to convey your idea if you are certain it is valid

However in the broader context of your thoughts it may be worth remembering that I have probably coached more young guys jumping in your range - from absolute beginner note - than any of the 19 footers on the planet has done/maybe more than all of them put together - I suspect that AVC coach has done the same.

By the way I know your dad is bigger than my dad - I just hope you are going to leave your toys, especially the baseball bat, behind when you go! :heart:
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Re: Review- Slow motion

Unread postby VaultPurple » Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:02 pm

I will agree with Starkey that in that video of skipper he is leaning forward at take off. But that does not mean it is what you are supposed to do. For skippers level of athletic ability, he probably never or will never jump as high as he could have.

When you watch elite vaulters the one thing you have to remember is that not all of them are perfect. Just because a 19' vaulter does it, doesn't make it right. What some people do not realize is that there are a lot of 18 and 19 foot vaulters that jump that high just because they are far superior athletic specimens than any of us could ever hope to be. You're never gonna jump that high with extremely bad form, but you can get away with things.

Look at a lot of the vaulters that drop their lead leg or have their hands too wide. A new vaulter watching video could be like 'wow that guy just jumped 19', i should do that too!'. But the true question that will never be answered is 'how high would they have jumped if they fixed that little flaw?'


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