PVstudent wrote:charlie wrote: by charlie » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:19 pm
If you take BOTH arms and extend them up (the pad of both hand PRESS UP) and CONTINUE to extend them up as the pole makes contact with the box, you will get the pole to vertical faster than anything else you can do.
Whether inversion can occur in time to coincide with the commencement of pole recoil by continuing to press upwards following take off is the nub of the issue.
I agree. But I look at this from another perspective.
Charlie, it would be helpful (especially by video review, but also by stating intent) to explain the separation of PLANT from TAKEOFF and SWING; and also whether a free takeoff is strived for. You call your technique the "
Press Support Plant", so does this mean that it's only within the PLANT phase? With a free takeoff, I would agree with you and PVStudent that this is excellent technique to strive for. But if you're "
under", then I would not solve this by continuing to press up AFTER the plant (i.e. during TAKEOFF) with both hands.
As PVStudent suggests, the continuance of the pads of both hands pressing up AFTER the plant (i.e. during the TAKEOFF and SWING would imply that the bottom elbow might be too low (not far enough to the side), which in turn would cause too much follow-thru pressure being applied through the bottom arm (which in turn would slow down the swing). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is what you're saying, Charlie, which you're implying is a key advantage to your technique. I actually think that this is inferior technique, but I know I won't change your mind on this, because you've apparently been so successful with it over your many years of coaching.
PVstudent wrote: charlie wrote:THEN IF YOU HAVE GUTS ENOUGH TO INVERT EARLY WITH THE POLE STILL BENT, YOU WILL GET SHOT UP OFF THE POLE!
This statement is disturbing in that it implies that early inversion is highly fear / anxiety provoking when the "Press Plant" into the take-off is used.
Charlie, I think this second main point made by you is quite independent of the "
Press Support Plant". Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you have ANY plant/takeoff/swing technique and still need to have "GUTS" to "INVERT EARLY WITH THE POLE STILL BENT"?
My take on inverting early happens to be the same as yours, Charlie. It's good technique to strive for.
But the way I think of it is agnostic to what happens between the plant and the swing. Essentially, you need to have a technique (yes, any technique will do!) that will consistently land you in the PLZ. This implies keeping the standards at 80 (because you likely won't reach the center of the PLZ and CLEAR THE BAR without your standards at 80).
Along with your technique and standards at 80, you need the right run, grip, and pole flex for this to work 100% of the time. It may take "
nerves of steel" ("
guts") at first (to become comfortable with inverting and extending on a bent pole), but if you're consistently landing in the PLZ this way, then the fear of stalling out goes away through repetition (and gymnastics drills).
Kirk