Re: 6.40 Model?
Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 11:21 pm
Appreciate the kind thought 3po. Now convince your sports scientists that BTB2 would be a useful resource in their library!
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KYLE ELLIS wrote:You can't say Bubka used this model, just like I can't say that he didn't. If anyone knows him I would like for them to ask him if he tried pulling down with his bottom arm right after takeoff.
agapit wrote:KYLE ELLIS wrote:You can't say Bubka used this model, just like I can't say that he didn't. If anyone knows him I would like for them to ask him if he tried pulling down with his bottom arm right after takeoff.
Kyle I know it is not very intuitive but rather more scientific inquiery that is necessary to "get" this concept that in fact vaulters on the stiff poles pulled with left to accelerate their swing and that on the flexible pole one should do the same. I am speaking of this because I certainly used it myself and taught it to every athlete I worked with maybe (20-30 athletes) and unless you think I'm an absolute cook you should just try to understand what I'm trying to say. Besides no serious scientist yet argued against this claim and i put it there for over a decade now.
Bubka probably never heard of 640 model, because I did not call it that until after he was making rules at IOC and IAAF not vaulting. As far as pull with the left arm, if you ask stiff vaulters whether they did it or not they won't tell you but that does not mean that they did not do it, as you clearly can see it in the old videos and from pure mechanical analysis.
I asked you to analyze Warmerdam's video and extrapolate this on the flexible pole. Have you had any success?
KYLE ELLIS wrote: Every single person that sarts vaulting pulls and hugs themselves to the pole, and I am sure every single person who tries pulling will not experience success!
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ADTF Academy wrote:Wasn't LOJO's Outdoor American Record at the time was from College when he wasn't working with you yet? He did go on to set the Indoor American record and have some great accolades, but he never jumped as high as he did in College. He actually retired young not saying that was or wasn't anyone's fault. I don't know the specifics just the data at hand.
Who else has learned your model and jumped over 5.80? 5.70? 5.60? 5.50? I'm not saying a guy who was jumping 5.50 and jumped 5.50 under your model thus success. I'm saying a 5.20 guy who than went 5.50 when he learned and executed the model.
I remember coach Webb got ticked off at Petrov (and me since I have translated this) for saying that to LoJo.
dj wrote:Pleassssse….
Tim, Bemiller and Webb "borrowed" everything from Petrov/Bubka they could get .. the most you may have done was try and get the vault coaches "fired" at Tennesse so you could take their job.I remember coach Webb got ticked off at Petrov (and me since I have translated this) for saying that to LoJo.
And as far as the situation in Reno.. with Lawrence… that "hinged" on a NCAA violation from one NCAA school to another of "tinkering.. I thought you might have been smart enough or experienced enough to know that.. but what I think was, you didn't care.. and your statement about Webb here…….. shows you had rather try and discredit someone else, to turn the credit to yourself, rather than to earn the credit on its own merit.
Webb and Bemiller had done pretty well way before you or Petrov.. They were there to see if they were "missing something". And I don't believe you had the common curtsey to speak to Webb "before" you ran your mouth off to Lawrence…
I will say this…. The two athletes that I worked with that you had coached could not jump correctly because you had not "fixed" the problems. You continued to "blame the athlete" …but couldn't fix it. They were jumping way below their potential and were constantly at the "frustration" level…. of even quitting the event… or injured.
any technique (model) that is "correct to physics" can be taught. if not, the coach doesn't know what they are doing and/or their "thinking" is flawed according to that physics.
It's the athlete, the communication from the coach and what is done correctly (to physics) that makes the difference………. Period..
RUN…………PLANT……………..SWING
Run correct… plant correct and swing correct (fast)…
dj