what different models are out there

[VTechVaulter]

remember, the "petrov model" is a series of things and not just a single idea. All things start with the pole carry and approach, which leads to the plant, take off, swing, etc.... You can only do something well if you've correctly executed the preceeding step.

Identify the shortcomings in his vault as a whole, then start from the beginning and address the issues in order.

this is a great way to word it. i know that if i hit my take off well, then i can swing and cover the pole. when i miss my take off, i get hung out, and am forced into a tuck and shoot. unfortunately at the moment, i miss my take off more than hit it... grrr

[altius]

QUOTE "i think that maybe we need to get a discussion on how to use the power vaulter model and maybe hear form peopel that have had luck with a fusion of the two as opposed to just hearing about the petrov model." QUOTE.

I repeat - there is only one technical model which can be supported by biomechanical analysis. If you want to become a better vaulter, study the Petrov/Bubka model and dont waste your time in pointless discussion of possible alternatives. You can begin the process now or you can continue to waste your time and stand still as a vaulter. Your choice.

[EIUvltr]

QUOTE "i think that maybe we need to get a discussion on how to use the power vaulter model and maybe hear form peopel that have had luck with a fusion of the two as opposed to just hearing about the petrov model." QUOTE.

I repeat - there is only one technical model which can be supported by biomechanical analysis. If you want to become a better vaulter, study the Petrov/Bubka model and dont waste your time in pointless discussion of possible alternatives. You can begin the process now or you can continue to waste your time and stand still as a vaulter. Your choice.

Altius, I've noticed on numerous occasions you've backed the Petrov model as being the most efficient/effective model out there (usually compared to the "power vault") proved by biomechanical analysis. However, as a skeptic and a student of biomechanics and the pole vault, I'm dying to know where I can access these biomechanical studies you mention. I own your book but there is nothing written in the way of a scientific article you may find in the Journal of Physiology. Were different vaulters hooked up to portable electromyography machines? Or were there certain devices used to prove that the Petrov model was more efficient in using the energy created in the run throughout the airborne portion of the vault? I also wonder if you believe there are possible technique variations we have yet to discover that could theoretically improve upon the Petrov model, or do you believe we have reached the point where the perfect technique is known, and now we have to strive to achieve it.

[dj]

hey

there should be only one true model.. and the petrov/bubka model is as close as it gets if you interpret the movements properly...

i'll try and get some more thoughts on here than i have written over the last few weeks..

but the point needs to be made this model has evolved over time... the continues chain model so to speak... since fiberglass was intoduced... from john pennels generation through tom telez, including the european vaulters through volkov and then a line of french.. then bubka.. etc

and the model does follow the line of physics... application of force.....

more later

dj

[souleman]

Why does everybody always have to augue against Alan's point. Proof in the pudding is one word BUBKA. I find it very strange that those that question the Petrov model insist on seeing the hard facts and research that Alan put into writing the "how to" book called Beginner to Bubka. Bottom line is, Altius did the research, he wrote the book based on the research. It outlines how to do the Petrov model, the model, which by the way, holds the worlds record. There's probably only one better authority on the model than Altius, and that would be Petrov himself. Last I heard, Petrov isn't on PVP. So just read and learn and quit arguing with Alan. All it does is stir him up. Later.............Mike

[vaulter870]

ok now that we have established that the petrov/ budka model is the best can we get back to how to ease a vaulter into this?? i know that i need to start with the approach and go from there but anhelp would be appreciated!

[EIUvltr]

Why does everybody always have to augue against Alan's point. Proof in the pudding is one word BUBKA. I find it very strange that those that question the Petrov model insist on seeing the hard facts and research that Alan put into writing the "how to" book called Beginner to Bubka. Bottom line is, Altius did the research, he wrote the book based on the research. It outlines how to do the Petrov model, the model, which by the way, holds the worlds record. There's probably only one better authority on the model than Altius, and that would be Petrov himself. Last I heard, Petrov isn't on PVP. So just read and learn and quit arguing with Alan. All it does is stir him up. Later.............Mike

That would be like yelling at Petrov 20-some odd years ago for questioning the power vault, and using Billy Olsen's WR as evidence of it being correct. Questioning and testing theories is what allows us to improve on what we already know. If everyone thought like you, we would still believe the world is flat.

[KYLE ELLIS]

That would be like yelling at Petrov 20-some odd years ago for questioning the power vault, and using Billy Olsen's WR as evidence of it being correct. Questioning and testing theories is what allows us to improve on what we already know. If everyone thought like you, we would still believe the world is flat.[/quote]

i totally agree.good point!

[polevaulter08nw]

tuff point, but the evidence in more world round vaulters jumping higher, and more consistently, with the petrov model

[OUvaulterUSAF]

ok now that we have established that the petrov/ budka model is the best can we get back to how to ease a vaulter into this?? i know that i need to start with the approach and go from there but anhelp would be appreciated!

Conditioning, Drills, short running on soft poles while introducing concepts of the model, then incrementally raising his/her grip and increasing pole flex as the vaulter's confidence builds.

I spent more time on conditioning between Aug and Oct than I've ever done. Then I went to the incremental approach to build my confidence up and reinforce good habits. I do the inversion drills every other day (3 sets of 5).

For all the nay-sayers...
I started transitioning to the Petrov Model Oct 05...this picture was taken of me in Dec 06 which I feel is the point where I finally got 70% of the model down pat...at least the free take-off part. There's no fast way to do it, I set a goal of 1.5 years.
Up until the summit, I still thought there was some sort of pulling with the arms during the whip/inversion but received clarification from Altius that there was not...just one hellaous leg swing. So now i'm back to a short 4/5 left (basically starting over) approach to take this amazing take-off and implementing a dynamic whip/inversion.



What I'm saying is it doesn't happen over night. That picture was the first time I took off from 14' and it didn't feel like I could get in at all. Then I got used to it over the next couple weeks in Dec and now 13'6" feels a little under to me.

Here are the facts for me:

College PR using tuck/shoot/power/speed: 17'3" gripping 15'9" with a 9 left approach. Biggest Pole Flex: 17.6 (16' pole)

Post College PR using concepts from Petrov: 16'5" gripping 14'9" with a 8 left approach. Biggest Pole Flex so far: 18.0 (16') and it's still almost too soft. (someone said I put about 4" on 17'1" with this same grip)

Although the height isn't there I'm getting in on bigger poles holding lower (I'm not as fast as in college)

I've converted to the Petrov model with out a coach and I'm a huge proponent of the model. I'm not saying it's the perfect model but I believe it's the best one we've got out there.

[captainfalcon43]

that definetely looks like a free takeoff

[polevaulter08nw]

ill agree, that take off looks excellent!