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Meditation

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:00 pm
by agapit
Polewhatisrunitdah

What, in your mind, is the simplest action that describes pole vault? Share it here even if it sounds silly.

Re: Meditation

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:50 pm
by agapit
agapit wrote:Polewhatisrunitdah

What, in your mind, is the simplest action that describes pole vault? Share it here even if it sounds silly.


OK to break the ice. Someone told me one time that they think of pole vault as a feather flying over the fence.

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:25 am
by izzystikchik
In my mind I kinda see the vault as sort of a sling shot... :confused: I understand if anyone is confused...

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:52 pm
by lonestar
Motocross Step-Up competition with a pole instead of a bike :yes:

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:20 pm
by sjsvaulter
I imagine a pendulum. This reminds me of a swing phase with a long trail leg that results from a technically sound runup and plant motion.

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:15 pm
by agapit
izzystikchik wrote:In my mind I kinda see the vault as sort of a sling shot... :confused: I understand if anyone is confused...


So do you see yourself in the sling shot? I know sling shot make this energetic sound upon release. Is the rubber action of the sling shot represents your approach?

I can see it.

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:21 pm
by agapit
lonestar wrote:Motocross Step-Up competition with a pole instead of a bike :yes:


Well good deal. I just cennot relate to the motocross. However I see the connection. There is an object and a person. Similar to the vault.

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:31 pm
by agapit
Is is important to have a simple image in mind.This would help to focus on important aspects of the vault. The image could be different for each season, however I would not recomend to switch the image more often than every season.

It takes time and thinking to develop an image for the next period.

It is also helpful to check yourself agains the image you have. For example I had an athlete who had an image for a season of him breaking the wall by pushing agains it. Obviously with such an image it is difficult to focus on the off the ground phase of the vault.

One of the more interesting images I had with students is the hand action during a release of a baseball. Where the whole event was visualized as a wrist action at the time of the pole release.

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:34 pm
by agapit
sjsvaulter wrote:I imagine a pendulum. This reminds me of a swing phase with a long trail leg that results from a technically sound runup and plant motion.


When I think of the pendulum I think steady and slow. Do you what that feeling to dominate your jump?

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:51 pm
by Mecham
I can think of a few of things. I guess it only can match up to certain parts of the jump though.

a set of TNT - some small things that when used correctly can make a big event.

As Alan Launder showed, A shoe swinging by the laces and shortening the axis of rotation.

The Soccer thing that was popular in the mid 90's. Kick-Pal or what ever. It had a net and string, the net to put the ball in, and string to hold it by. Long sweeping trail leg, powerful.

A man jumping straight up trying to reach the sky and fly.

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:04 pm
by souleman
One of the things I see in my mind is the first swing of a trapeze artist after he or she jumps off the platform. Their sweep, their kick to get the trapeze going as high as possible as soon as possible (so the show doesn't drag waiting for him or her to get to the "tricks" swing). Close? Later........Mike

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:06 am
by agapit
Mecham wrote:I can think of a few of things. I guess it only can match up to certain parts of the jump though.

a set of TNT - some small things that when used correctly can make a big event.

As Alan Launder showed, A shoe swinging by the laces and shortening the axis of rotation.

The Soccer thing that was popular in the mid 90's. Kick-Pal or what ever. It had a net and string, the net to put the ball in, and string to hold it by. Long sweeping trail leg, powerful.

A man jumping straight up trying to reach the sky and fly.


I like the image off a continuous TNT chain explosions. Bam bam bam (jump, arms, wrist). This image does not leave room for an idle moment. Packing more TNT into the bams leaving NO TIME BETWEEN the explosions reminds me of the way Bubka jumped. It was quite a site in person.

Frankly, the ESSENCE of the modern (6.40 model) is to minimize the time between explosions while packing more TNT.

By the way a pre jump (free takeoff) is the best way to shorten the time between the first and the second bams.