Tim and Toby....... are they done?
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 9:29 pm
I doubt these two will be around for 2008. No improvement in the past two years. Whats left for them? Time for the new guys imho.
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 9:56 pm
This is just a down year, right after the olympics, they will be back, might be training hardcore, they have a plan I'm sure.
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:32 pm
hallvaulter wrote:This is just a down year, right after the olympics, they will be back, might be training hardcore, they have a plan I'm sure.
tim is what? 34? toby? 33 or so. time has passeed them by imo.
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:33 pm
lol ur not the most optimistic one on this site 
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.Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:33 pm
Toby is still young, I am sure he will be at it until the next Olympics minimum. I wouldn't be surprised if Tim tries to stick around that long too.
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 11:03 pm
rainbowgirl28 wrote:Toby is still young, I am sure he will be at it until the next Olympics minimum. I wouldn't be surprised if Tim tries to stick around that long too.
tim is done. sorry. tobby? im not sure how old he is. but they havent improved. soooooo, whats left? tommy and brad....imo. 2008 we are talking about.
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 11:46 pm
the 6 meter club chart says that Stevenson is 28.
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:14 am
SKOT wrote:the 6 meter club chart says that Stevenson is 28.
PR at 26... so now what? has he maxed out? go to trackandfieldnews.com
25 26 is about when the "average" elite is at his best. ask those guys, they will blow your mind away.
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:54 am
tim is done. sorry. tobby? im not sure how old he is. but they havent improved--polebender
I'm not going to lie; I'm biased because these are two of my favorite vaulters. But I still think you're flat out wrong.
Toby jumped 18'10 in college and didn't pr for about the next 4, maybe even 6 years, until he jumped up to 19'8" in 04, so by your logic toby should've quit vaulting before he had what was probably the best season of his life. Even coming into 04, even before toby jumped 19' in the winter, toby definitely wasn't a favorite for the olympics. Also, this is considered a down year in t&f--some athletes don't aim to peak in a year in which there is not an outdoor world championship or olympics.
Tmack was 32 when he won in 04. Most people say that's too old, so I don't know where you get the idea that 32 isn't too old to compete at the highest level but that 36 is too old. Hartwig--another guy who had to wait till later in his career to jump really high--can still jump 19.
Most importantly the odds that any person, young or old, will make the team are pretty bad due to how competive the USA Oly trials are.
I'm not going to lie; I'm biased because these are two of my favorite vaulters. But I still think you're flat out wrong.
Toby jumped 18'10 in college and didn't pr for about the next 4, maybe even 6 years, until he jumped up to 19'8" in 04, so by your logic toby should've quit vaulting before he had what was probably the best season of his life. Even coming into 04, even before toby jumped 19' in the winter, toby definitely wasn't a favorite for the olympics. Also, this is considered a down year in t&f--some athletes don't aim to peak in a year in which there is not an outdoor world championship or olympics.
Tmack was 32 when he won in 04. Most people say that's too old, so I don't know where you get the idea that 32 isn't too old to compete at the highest level but that 36 is too old. Hartwig--another guy who had to wait till later in his career to jump really high--can still jump 19.
Most importantly the odds that any person, young or old, will make the team are pretty bad due to how competive the USA Oly trials are.
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:57 am
You can't count those guys out! You're under-estimating the magical powers of an Olympic year! Everyone comes out of the woodwork every four years. Tim and Toby have a lot of experience at big meets. They'll be back!
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:27 am
Its like every year, a college athlete trains for the confrence championships. If they are tough enough, the nationals, and if they are truely a stud, USAs in July. Periodization (an annual lifting plan, or bi-annual... etc.) works. And usually, it works well. Why else do people mainly PR at the confrence, last chance meets and nationals?
Now turn that around... instead of one year, to peak for indoors and outdoors, they have four years to peak for the main event. Most pole vaulters can name the last 3 or 4 olympic champions, but who can name the indoor world champ of 2001? Olympics are the main event for these guys, I think they will have some competition, but I think it might be a little ignorent to count 2 guys that have jumped 6m out of it.
PS... http://www.usatf.org/athletes/bios/ shows mack turning 34 in September, and Toby turning 30 in November. It also shows Jeff jumped 6.02 (i thought this was 6.03, but either way, higher than Tim and Toby) when he was 35. I really think Tim and Toby still have it.
Now turn that around... instead of one year, to peak for indoors and outdoors, they have four years to peak for the main event. Most pole vaulters can name the last 3 or 4 olympic champions, but who can name the indoor world champ of 2001? Olympics are the main event for these guys, I think they will have some competition, but I think it might be a little ignorent to count 2 guys that have jumped 6m out of it.
PS... http://www.usatf.org/athletes/bios/ shows mack turning 34 in September, and Toby turning 30 in November. It also shows Jeff jumped 6.02 (i thought this was 6.03, but either way, higher than Tim and Toby) when he was 35. I really think Tim and Toby still have it.
Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:20 pm
one man, two words...... JEFF HARTWIG
it can be done...
it can be done...