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				time limit rule?
				Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2003 8:11 pm
				by pvjackex
				what is the time limit for high school to vault from the time they call your name to be up
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2003 8:39 pm
				by tiki man
				Rule 7 Section 2 (Jumping Events) Art 5 
[2nd sentence] A competitor shall initiate a trial that is carried to completion within:  a. One and one-half minutes in the pole vault
[skip past b. ]
However, when three or fewer competitors remain in the competition,...those in pole vault will be allowed four minutes to initiate a jump.   When one competitor remains six minutes in the pole vault.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2003 8:43 pm
				by tiki man
				But ... looking in the book Rule 7 section 5 (pole vault) Artic;e 29 
it is a foul if the competior 
[skip a-d] 
e. fails to initiate a trial that is carried to completion within the defined tim period (1 minute) after being called and after the crossbar and standards have been set.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2003 8:45 pm
				by pvjackex
				thx for reply tiki, where can i look at the rules?
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2003 8:46 pm
				by tiki man
				my sense is the parenthetical reference in Rule 7 section 5 article 29 item e is incorrect and should be omitted.  Then the "defined time"  is what is listed in Rule 7 Section 2 article 5 item a.  
Hope this helps...it shure helped my number of post 

 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2003 9:02 pm
				by tiki man
				I just went and looked through google and was unable to locate a complete text version--which is neccessary as noted above.  The NFHS website will let you order one for around $7.  But ask your coach to look over his/hers.   I coach a high school in Atlanta and have found people to make up rules.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:04 pm
				by OAKPV2004
				I think the rule should be 10 seconds. You should be ready vault when your name is called. I hate seeing people sit down at the end of the runway and waste a bunch of time. at the most 30 seconds, i could see if you were waiting for the wind, but thats not really a ligitament excuse.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:27 pm
				by pvjackex
				well, thats your opinion but i think most vaulters would agree with me that 10 sec is not enough.  i dont take up all the 90sec , but its a mental thing.  it assures you have time to prepare yourself and go when your ready.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:49 pm
				by frozensteele
				Ten seconds isn't nearly enough. I haven't seen anyone use close to the full ninety seconds though. I probably use thirty seconds just so I can calm my nerves.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:36 am
				by Russ
				I noticed this inconsistency too.  Here's what I think happened.  A year or two ago they amended the pv time limit rule in 7-2-5(a) to be 1.5 minutes instead of the 1 minute for other jumps.  Unfortunately, they forgot to change 7-5-29(e) at the same time.  Legislators make these kinds of errors all of the time.  I plan to write the NFHS and ask for a clarification.  My legal judgment is that when 2 rules are inconsitent, the more recently enacted rule is the one that should govern the situation.  So the 1.5 minute rule is what should control.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:07 am
				by BrandoAZ
				tiki man wrote:I just went and looked through google and was unable to locate a complete text version--which is neccessary as noted above.  The NFHS website will let you order one for around $7.  But ask your coach to look over his/hers.   I coach a high school in Atlanta and have found people to make up rules.
Where in Atlanta do you coach?  I realize people make up rules.  I vault at lakeside high school.  Our coach isn't really a 'vault coach' so he isnt exactly aware of all the rules.. or how to coach us for that matter  

 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:17 pm
				by vaultin chris
				I hate seeing people sit down at the end of the runway and waste a bunch of time.
i'd actually like to see u try to start a jump in 10 seconds. i peronsally like to use my time. its mine, my time on the runway to clear my mind, focus on the vault, and charge up my speed boosters. Just cause ur a "ten second man" doesnt mean everyone else is, u have to respect others' right to get prepared to jump.