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Guy to Girl Conversion

Unread postby Bonevt » Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:50 am

I have been thinking about this for a while, what is the conversion for a girls height to a guys height for HS jumpers.

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Unread postby breaker » Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:50 pm

someone told me that if you add about three and a half feet to a girls height, thats what its boy-height equivalent is, but someone just told me that, it could be totally inncorrect, but thats just what i hear...

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Unread postby Scott Go Pre » Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:10 pm

i don't think that there is an accurate conversion for men's to women's height because there are a few factors that are extremely hard to add in.

Factors such as:
height
weight :o (heaven forbid we know a girls weight)
testosterone and estrogen
how fast someone runs
body fisique :mad:

Some of these factors are easy to calculate the difference, but some aren't.
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Unread postby ladyvolspvcoach » Sat Oct 16, 2004 7:12 pm

Women also have a lower center of mass. So even if the strenght ratios were the same women have a more difficult time getting inverted and moving up the pole. They typically do not have an equivalent fast jerk muscle fibre either. That makes for a much more difficult time doing inverted rope climbs.

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Unread postby jhesch » Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:59 pm

well its not gonna be a straight addition of X height to determine the conversion factor but instead a ratio, like 4/5 (Multiply a guy's height by 4/5 or .8 to get equivalent height of equal skill/comparablke speed etc.) that is just an example, but im sure it can be easily derived: determine ratios between record holders at high school, college, professional level of guys and girls, divide them respectively, average those ratios, you should get a conversion factor that is very accurate.

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Unread postby Robert schmitt » Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:39 am

There is no solid conversion. In reality 3'6"- 4' is probably where things stand RIGHT NOW. I notice at big meets that is about the difference between the top few guys and top few girls.

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This year at a3A division HS I coach at we had a boy and a girl that took 3rd at state, the boy went 14'6" the girl went 11'3" difference of 3'3". I think 15'6" won it for the boys and 12'6" won it for the girls difference of 3'. There is more than a 4' difference from the current HS boy and girls records.
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Unread postby squalicumvaulter07 » Sat Jan 01, 2005 5:28 pm

think about experience and skill also, as those are key aspects in performance.

obviously though, much of the height ties into strength. most girls dont take sports as seriously as guys. when i go to the gym or the weight room as school, i never see my female team mates. the guys though, are there multiple times a week. i did well last year relying on athletic ability, and not technique (trust me, i had none). develope a workout with your coach that will help you advance, and stick to it.

most importantly, heading into the season you should work onyour runway speed. DONT JUST RUN LAPS ! when you run long distances at a slow pace, you build up distance or slow twitch muscles. short sprints hone your reflexes and build the fast twitch muscles that are necissary for sprints.

i take it seriously and that translates into my performance. i pr'd in every meet i vaulted last year. i also beat a few of the boys ;) :D

good luck this season kids. hope to see you at some of the invites and 3a meets!
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Unread postby GirlPoleVaulter87 » Sat Jan 01, 2005 9:14 pm

true about the slow/ fast twitch muscles. very important.

I practice about 9389437594 times more than most guys in my area and its really fun to beat them.

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Unread postby Mecham » Sat Jan 01, 2005 9:56 pm

I think that you guys are making it too hard on yourselves. I think an average conversion is somewhere around 3.5 feet. give or take ya know?
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Unread postby vaulter894 » Sat Jan 01, 2005 10:22 pm

well the world records are 4 feet apart at the moment and when I broke my school record at 14-3 my girl teammate broke the girls record at 10-3, so anywhere between a 3-4 foot difference seems about right. I mean there are always exceptions like if you are a girl in your area going 12-13 and the best guy does 14 then it is a foot difference.
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Unread postby bvpv07 » Sun Jan 02, 2005 1:16 am

most girls dont take sports as seriously as guys


I think that it depends much more on the individual (personality, focus, commitment, etc.) than the gender. For example, at my school, about 6 or more girls consistently come out for year-round pv practice while only one of the guy vaulters comes to practices outside of the spring track season.

Sorry if I sound strange or whatever.

Also, the difference in records at my school are about 3 feet (15'2 and 12'3)

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Unread postby Mecham » Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:30 pm

Oh boy, the difference for our schools records is quite a bit. Guys is 17'1 and 10'6. almost 7 feet difference. but average is about 3-4
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