Vince Frawley 16-11

[rainbowgirl28]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mzsU2OgrOg

Obviously it was windy, but should marks count when the bar is being held on the pegs?

[KirkB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mzsU2OgrOg

Obviously it was windy, but should marks count when the bar is being held on the pegs?

That sounds like a rhetorical question, since I'm sure you know the answer, RG.

It seems unfair, but I think it's a miss.

The proper way to handle this situation (I think) is for the bar-tenders to hold the bar from blowing off as the vaulter runs; then release the crossbar before the vaulter is anywhere near it; then hold it again after he clears it. Then, if the wind blows it off before (or while) it's cleared, the PV judge declares whether it's a make or a miss ... it's a judgement call on whether it was the wind or the vaulter that knocked the bar off. But if the wind blows the bar off BEFORE the vaulter even gets high enough to knock it off, then it's also a miss, since the bar wasn't cleared while it was on the pegs. Sometimes this can be a tough call.

In this case, the bar-tenders never released the bar, so I don't think the jump is legal ... technically.

There's no "wind-assisted" rule in PV, but it could be argued that the rule I just described is as close as it gets to a wind-assisted clearance.

So no, the jump is NOT legal ... unless I'm dating myself.

But I don't know what you do next, because it wasn't the vaulter's fault that the bar-tenders didn't release the bar. Does he get another jump?

I would guess that the PV judge would just look the other way and call it a make ... since he cleared the bar cleanly ... (and especially if it's not a "high-stakes" meet) ... but I don't think this would hold up under protest by a competitor.

Oh ... BTW Vince ... nice jump!

Kirk

[smokinvaulter1]

I had my juco concerence record taken away because the bar was reverse taped. It was a clean jump too.

[kev44000]

It is one thing to hold them. but when the vaulter plants they should let go. There was alot of talk at the Texas Relays about the PR.s at this meet. Since that meet the athletes have not come close to those marks.

[vaultmd]

My all=time PR could have been 16'0 (or 16'3" - it was a long time ago) instead of 15'7".

At the Redlands Invitational it was really windy so they were holding the bar up and letting it go when the vaulter took off. I was taking shots at Cliff Schneider's stadium record. The bar came down when I jumped but the official didn't think I touched the bar and the guys from Occidental College were lobbying hard on my behalf; so he asked me if I thought I touched it. I didn't remember touching it but I responded that since the bar fell down it probably should be a miss.

I had no idea I would never look at bars that high again. I also didn't know that Cliff would have his accident and die a week and a half later.

[VaultPurple]

I dont know in this case, could just be my eyes but if you look at the stick the person on the left is holding I would have to say that they move it away when he starts to go over the bar. So from what I can see it does not look like they are holding the bar up while he is going over.

Just what It looked like to me.

[achtungpv]

A better question is why do you attempt 16'11" instead of 17'?