No Bungee at competition!

[polevaulter08nw]

i agree with you master, thats what it reads like. But who would want to put a cross bar up there every time? And could they make a legal bungee? That doesn't really make too much sense besides saying that you couldn't make an actual jump with a bungee, but we all know that. But why wouldn't they let us use a bungee then cause its just for warm-ups.

[Vaultref]

Any one have a clue as to why the rule reference to 7-5-16 was what was mention in the NFHS Bungee memo? Just curious

(7-5-)
ART. 16 . . . A competitor who has passed three consecutive heights after competition has begun may be permitted one warm-up jump without the crossbar in place, but shall enter the competition at that height. Such warm-up must be taken at a height change.

[master]

Any one have a clue as to why the rule reference to 7-5-16 was what was mention in the NFHS Bungee memo? Just curious

(7-5-)
ART. 16 . . . A competitor who has passed three consecutive heights after competition has begun may be permitted one warm-up jump without the crossbar in place, but shall enter the competition at that height. Such warm-up must be taken at a height change.

Could it just be a case of a different year rule book? I don't have any rule books available to me currently, but I know that when they insert or delete a rule, it often changes the numbers of everything following it. It certainly doesn't have anything to do with passing 3 heights.

- master

[achtungpv]

vaultref, since that rule is referenced do you interpret the bungee-ban to not include pre-competition warmup? It seems it may just be clarifying that competitors taking their warmup jump after the competition has started may not use a bungee.

[master]

Although you didn't ask my opinion, I can say the memorandum sent out by NFHS explicitly states in two places that the ban is also for the pre-event warm-up period.

This restriction would be in effect during the actual competition as well as the warm-up period prior to the event.

The field event judge has exercised the correct judgment for the pre-event warm-up, as only the use of a crossbar manufactured for the event should be used.

- master

[Vaultref]

I have to agree with "master".... No bungee period at a meet at any time.

I still would like to know why this has become an issue. If they really discussed this back in 2006, and supposedly forgot to issue a statement, what caused this to be an issue back then? I know of nothing. Does anyone know what has caused?

I also have to agree with Dan that is doesn't matter to me one way or another, but if there is a medium to large field, trying to put up bar after bar is not going to happen in the pre-event warm-up. Takes too long and is unfair to the rest of the field.

[belmore]

Who makes these decisions? It is obvious no one who posts here or is involved with the event is contacted or given notice an inane rule change or interpetation is being made. I don't mean to speak for everyone who speaks their mind here, but I appreciate and pay attention to most of the posters here. I would think that when rules are being initiated that some of the minds that do take the time to be INVOLVED in this sport would be approached for their thoughts. I originally thought this was kind of a silly ruling that would not be paid much attention to, but if it is a rule, in a rule book, it will have to be followed. No bungees and no Volzing. Great rules to write when you're in a conference room, sucks if you're the official.

[strato]

The NFHS has received the question of whether or not it is acceptable for a bungee cord to be used for warm-ups in the pole vault at an interscholastic track and field meet.

In 2006 the NFHS Track and Field Rules Committee discussed the use of the bungee cord for warm-ups at an interscholastic meet and agreed this would not be acceptable under Rule 7-5-16. This restriction would be in effect during the actual competition as well as the warm-up period prior to the event.

SITUATION: The pole vaulters from Team A want to use a bungee cord to place on the vaulting standards during warm-ups at the visiting school. The event judge for the pole vault informs the vaulters and their coach that this is not acceptable under Rule 7-5-16 during competition, and is not allowed during warm-ups, as the item is not the acceptable crossbar and may not be appropriate to be placed on this vaulting standard system. RULING: Correct procedure. COMMENT: Rule 7-5-16 is clear that a crossbar may not be used in warm-ups once the competition has begun. The field event judge has exercised the correct judgment for the pre-event warm-up, as only the use of a crossbar manufactured for the event should be used. Training devices such as bungee cords shall not be used at interscholastic meets.

This situation is provided to assist you in responding to questions you may receive regarding this matter. Please disseminate this interpretation to your coaches and officials as you deem appropriate. It will also be placed on the NFHS web site.

Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you for your attention and consideration.

BO/lb
ok for whats it's worth. my take on this
2 things that i see
1st " the item may not be appropriate to be placed on this vaulting standard system." Team A may not know, its not their system but the home team should know if its appropriate or not. If the offical is not with the home team they should ask the home team if it is appropriate to use bunge on the standard system.

2nd the reference to 7-5-16
7-5-)
ART. 16 . . . A competitor who has passed three consecutive heights after competition has begun may be permitted one warm-up jump without the crossbar in place, but shall enter the competition at that height. Such warm-up must be taken at a height change.

competition has started. this is not pre compitition so the use of any device is not allowed as stated. this rule says nothing about before the compitition starts just refers to competitor coming in after compitition starts

[drcurran]

This is the same post as put up by "Strato", but it does list who it is from and also covers a note about USATF and NCAA at the end. As you can see this was sent to all State Association Track and Field Administrators. Hope this helps.

Dan

PS - Now lets get to work to get this "not such a good rule" changed!


2. Use of Bungee Cord in Pole Vault Memorandum from the National Federation Rules Committee:

To: State Association Track and Field Administrators
From: Becky Oakes
Subject: Use of Bungee Cord in Pole Vault
Date: April 16, 2008
___________________________________________________________________________

The NFHS has received the question of whether or not it is acceptable for a bungee cord to be used for warm-ups in the pole vault at an interscholastic track and field meet.

In 2006 the NFHS Track and Field Rules Committee discussed the use of the bungee cord for warm-ups at an interscholastic meet and agreed this would not be acceptable under Rule 7-5-16. This restriction would be in effect during the actual competition as well as the warm-up period prior to the event.

SITUATION: The pole vaulters from Team A want to use a bungee cord to place on the vaulting standards during warm-ups at the visiting school. The event judge for the pole vault informs the vaulters and their coach that this is not acceptable under Rule 7-5-16 during competition, and is not allowed during warm-ups, as the item is not the acceptable crossbar and may not be appropriate to be placed on this vaulting standard system. RULING: Correct procedure. COMMENT: Rule 7-5-16 is clear that a crossbar may not be used in warm-ups once the competition has begun. The field event judge has exercised the correct judgment for the pre-event warm-up, as only the use of a crossbar manufactured for the event should be used. Training devices such as bungee cords shall not be used at interscholastic meets.

This situation is provided to assist you in responding to questions you may receive regarding this matter. Please disseminate this interpretation to your coaches and officials as you deem appropriate. It will also be placed on the NFHS web site.

Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you for your attention and consideration.

(comment) That about sums it up for hig school competition, don’t allow the bungee at any meet site during war-ups. Note: for USATF and NCAA competition, the bungee is still legal during warm-ups.

[master]

this rule says nothing about before the compitition starts just refers to competitor coming in after compitition starts

I think that is the whole point of this memorandum. Because the rule did not make it explicit about warm ups, they published this to say how it should apply to warm ups. It has the same form as entries in the 'case book' which also are intended to clarify interpretations of rules.

- master

[Vaultref]

A coach told me today (at Penn Relays) that the reason for this was an injury
that occurred with the use of the bungee that resulted in the standards collapsing into the pit and on to the vaulter.
Don't know where this occurred nor exactly when other than he thought it was early 2006.
I did not hear of this, so don't shoot the messenger.

[rainbowgirl28]

A coach told me today (at Penn Relays) that the reason for this was an injury
that occurred with the use of the bungee that resulted in the standards collapsing into the pit and on to the vaulter.
Don't know where this occurred nor exactly when other than he thought it was early 2006.
I did not hear of this, so don't shoot the messenger.

Yet another case of someone being injured because of not meeting existing facilities rules.